You can run most l4 mission in relatively cheap typhoon just fine… and if you do lowsec burners then you willingly go to lowsec and can’t blame anyone but yourself.
I guess if you try to PvP in T1 cruisers instead, you will be able to have a lot more PvP fights per L4 mission. Sure you might die more often than in faction cruisers, but when you win it will be a bigger accomplishment. And you can afford dying more often. 
Unless the issue is that L4 missions aren’t available to Alpha clones anymore. In that case you could opt to become Omega, or focus on speed running L3 missions?
Look, let’s cut the crap, eh? Even if I’m flying a T1 garbage crate, I’m gonna fit it with T2 or better mods and ammo. They are so enormously expensive that I assume that’s beyond debate, that insurance doesn’t cover me, in that T1?
Assuming you agree with that postulate, then, I have to reiterate, why? You want me to engage, to be your content. But you want me to pay to be your content, too?
Come on, dog. Really?
I forgot about this one… but he should be able to run T2/T3 abyss just fine in caracal…
Fully fit cruiser with T2 mods everywhere is about 30-40M isk… that is not that expensive.
Not that it matters. I can’t use T2 weapons on my crate. I was speaking from the past experience of trying to budget-pvp.
Today, it’s all cheap. But if you want me to pay for Omega, when I undock in a 900m isk Tengu, I expect to be able to insure it for that, and get around 650m back. Otherwise, I can’t fly it on my main.
Why train for it? Why bother? Oh, but I can’t be insured because the alliances in null are gonna stop their easy farming to harness up the revenue from insurance fraud, right?
So you want nearly risk free pvp in blinged out crap… you do realize this can be easily abused by anyone? Manipulating market prices is not that hard…
Insurance pays significant bigger part of the total cost of T1 ships than it does for Faction ships. So apart from flying cheaper, you also get a much bigger part back from insurance.
Insurance pays much better for ships you’re more likely to lose. So you can choose how risky you want to fly. Fly powerful ships with a big chance of winning fights, such as a T3C, or fly cheap ships that barely set you back in ISK when you die.
You just can’t have both, where you have a huge advantage and barely lose ISK when you die. It’s risk versus reward.
No, I don’t realize that. I have listened, over maybe half of eve’s lifetime, to people that play markets and scam, and I have seen nerfs to all sorts of things, from reprocessing to insurance payouts, to stop scams.
But realize? No? Dude, I plink ships for fun. That’s it. I don’t get this economics crap, but for the general sweeps. I sorta can see a broad picture, and from what I see, isk is being farmed by the big alliances in so many new ways since the last insurance fraud… Well, I’m not sure they’re gonna want to piddle with it, again.
Are they? That was sorta this whole point.
In the old-school game paradigm, yes. But don’t tell me a lot of the isk bots are generating are not going to the largest alliances in the game.
They are. We all know it. Core vs. Casual. You put up with them, defend them, because they will stomp your ass in every way, and you know it.
The way the game is currently going, three alliances will eventually rule the game, selling us checkerboards to play on.
I feel like we’re getting to the main problem you have with EVE; envy.
That may not be a problem of the game though, that’s a personal problem. Have you tried enjoying the EVE universe without looking at what all those other players supposedly have?
Sure, goons have lots of supers and rorquals and make lots of ISK down there in Delve. I went there in a venture roam a week ago and was no match against one of their carriers camping a gate. Does that bother me during my normal gameplay? Not at all.
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You make many incorrect assumptions, but in this case you at least have a point. Yes, ISK is, in general, farmed way too much by bots, by near-AFK or fully AFK farmers, by nullsec alliances with their ratting and other, too-safe resource generation. That problem needs to be addressed directly, not indirectly by saying “Those guys farm hard to make their ISK, but I don’t want to farm hard for my ISK, so please just change the game so I need less ISK”.
The excess farming is harmful to everyone in the game who doesn’t set up a farming operation, mostly through ISK inflation. On the other hand, the excess resource and manufacturing that goes hand in hand with all that farming, pushes prices down on lots of other items (T2 gear, for instance). So they offset each other to some extent.
Excess insurance payouts only make a bad problem worse, not better. You’ve already been told… if insurance is a problem for you, fly a T1, not a Tengu. If getting ganked is a problem for you, then learn to not get ganked. If earning is a problem for you, but you like plinking ships, then go for faction warfare in cheap ships. Adapt to the game that tens of thousands of people are playing around you, rather than crying every time you stub your toe and pulling the “it’s not fair, you guys all have so much more than me!” card.
Tell ya what. You might be right. I’ll create a new toon and start fresh with no loans, no gifts, and play the new thing. Because it has changed, a lot. I’m as human as all of you, and as prone to error. I’ll take another look, for reals. Does it get any more fair than that?
There is some truth in that, @Kezrai_Charzai. But it’s not all truth. How about we go half way? My new project is gonna be a new toon, a minmatar slave pud, who plays it old school, no gifts. I admit it’s been a long time since I have done that.
On the flipside, I am not your enemy. Well, here. In game, yeah, I will totally try to kill you, even if I lose, but here, no.
CCP created alphas. I’m pretty sure my new minmatar slave capped at 5m sp is gonna be weak. You tell me it’s viable. We’ll see.
Fine. This one. No contracts, no trades, no gifts.
Old-school misery. And a cap on everything I do. I’m not thinking this will be exciting.
Care to join me? Or are you comfortable?
not that it matters much cause this here will be closed soon anyway, but …
from the first time I realised that I can insure my ship, I alway wondered why. In your other thread the ship insurance was compared to car insurance and you told us all what a great insurance you have, but I bet nobody would insure your car if you tell them you are going to take part in a demolition derby (ok, maybe an extreamly expensice insurance)…and thats more or less what eve is.
Actually I would support a better insurance payout, but only with enlarged terms of agreement, like…
- only insured in High Sec
- only insured with damage control fittet
- only insured with at least 1 warp core stab
- only insured without warpscramblers
…
just my 2 cents
Claiming there’s a meaningful relationship between risk and reward in EVE is disingenuous.
- nullSec is being safely farmed by its owners for huge time-efficient rewards.
- highSec is being safely farmed by well-organized specialists who manage away most of the risk
- The biggest risks are taken by players who aren’t properly set up yet. Yet they are income-starved due to careless game design, and the only targets left in EVE that can’t effectively manage the likelihood or cost of losing ships
I was actually sorta pointing out that I would not buy insurance on anything but a T1, but ok.
My insurance, irl, does provide to by me a new car. Because irl, I’m a pretyy low risk, as actuaries count it.
I pay my bills, I am an ex-con, so there is that, but it’s over two decades in the past, and I have a steady job paying decent money for my area.
Insurance in eve? It’s like honda said your car was worth $900 in minerals. Which it probably is. But there is manufacturing, the programming of the circuitry, etc, etc. It’s $900 of material, and $7500 of human intellectual property rights.
Elena, you withdrew your post? Darn. You guys deserve each other.
Just when I made a fresh batch of popcorn, too.
I pretty much felt the same. Who in their right mind would insure a combat ship for an immortal clone?
Strictly from mechanics, IIRC, first off, you get 40% insurance payout even if you don’t buy insurance at all. After that, every insurance level is basically, pay X for the insurance, to get 2X back, only if your ship is blown up in the next 90 days or something. It’s a crock. Pay a guaranteed loss of X to ‘maybe’ get back 2X? I can do better things with my money than that.
I honestly haven’t bought insurance on a ship in years… except for running those career agent missions where you have to get blown up anyway.
I also am frequently flying Sunesis/Gnosis/Praxis - because then I can put all my skills into support/weapon/useful skills, rather than ‘fly faction battleship X’. And those don’t insure anyway, since the ‘materials cost’ is like 1 Trilithium.