I will gladly answer you. I gain nothing by calling EVE P2W. What are you losing with me calling EVE P2W? This all started by @Kezrai_Charzai claiming that selling SP is not P2W and that it is good monetization and that is it healthy to the game. I have no problem with the last two statement, but selling SP is P2W type of monetization and everyone who claims not the be the case is lying to himself probably because of the reasons I wrote above - to secure his own integrity opinion on P2W games.
As for why I play it. I don’t care EVE is P2W. The P2W in EVE is subtle and doesn’t disrupt balance and I don’t feel forced to buy it too. The game is fun and still offers content that I like. CCP can sell you 100% dmg boosters or unique t4 destroyers or t3 frigates I don’t care.
I have no problem with EVE being P2W. I never claimed EVE is ■■■■ game and ppls should stop playing it because it is P2W.
I just wrote that EVE is P2W and explained why.
The moment I wrote that, my statement was attacked at two different threads by multiple players claiming I am wrong, idiot, I should quit the game and whatsnot. From that point I simply defended against these attack and counter-argumented counter-arguments to validate my statement. Then I stick up for @Lucas_Kell who is saying exactly the same but was attacked by even more players. Which is why we are here.
And you derailing from topic and attacking me directly is showing that you have nothing else to argument with.
I have no agenda. I am not shaming CCP or EVE here and I am not trying to destroy the game or community.
Well I do assume natural PVP not 1v1 duels so you got me there. With gate camps/blobs/ganks etc.
Oh I agree SP does give and advantage. I am saying SP won’t save a person who is poorly skilled who let’s say dosen’t know how to fly a frigate… or falls into a gate camp we can do on forever.
I agree the competition in EVE is hidden vs other simpler games. I will go out on a limb here and say this can be twisted any way to support any argument. A multibox miner doesn’t have the personal skills to PVP with all his accounts. Even vice versa a multibox pvper would struggle at doing indy efficiently. I don’t see an absolute advantage in any of this.
No I won’t see it as P2W I don’t assume equal player skill in EVE. However, I would see it as undermining the concept of EVE. Same with selling ships as I have said.
I see a game as pay-to-win where someone spends real life money to gain an absolute advantage over another player. I don’t assume everything is a 1v1 in EVE we both know that. Hearthstone is a clear-cut case of a horrible PTW game where people literally buy cards gated behind real life money to destroy others who don’t spend a dime. In EVE I spend my own time getting my ISK and omega to get the tools I need to form up against others. I can make it happen faster but, in the end, as I have said SP and plex will not save you in the end.
Every game must be judged in its own unique circumstances and situation. I don’t do blanket statements. I apply my thoughts to each game in its own merit. I really do think there is a spectrum from blatantly PTW games to games that are forced to do the things like EVE has done.
I’m sure you will come up with some definition of pay-to-play to support your views.
Also, you missed the latest advert on deals for omega, valid from August 20th to 22nd, with the slogan “the full EvE experience” or some such, that was visible on the launcher.
The home page says “play free”. It does not say “play everything free”. You see, just like you tried to point out what the literal meaning of words is in relation to a sentence and how that may lead to different meanings, play plus free does not equal what you allege it means. That makes you gullible, taking your wishes for reality - or just someone who loves spinning words so that the attention he craves continues to pour in.
People who use the word “attack” in a conversation know that their argument is weak and resort to trying to be the victim to deflect from their incorrect arguments.
Do you see how ridiculous this position is though? By introducing a free tier of account that you can totally use to play the game entirely for free, CCP makes the game pay to win. This is why your position is laughable at best - it is rigidly applied thinking to the point of nonsense.
You missed my point entirely here - I’m beginning to think, deliberately.
I’m not talking about a game like Eve: I’m saying, can you point to a game with less egregious p2w mechanics in it?
Let me phrase this a little more simply. On a scale of 1 to 100 - 1 being literally zero p2w mechanics, and 100 being the most heavily incentivised, impossible to avoid cash-grab game of all time, I would be comfortable placing eve somewhere in the 10-20 region. What would your number be?
The fact that you refuse to read what I wrote shows you’re being extremely dishonest, or have a poor understanding of your native language. I won’t go as far as saying that anyone who believes a commercial product is entirely free of charge is a fool, but don’t expect the same answer at another point in time - because they are.
Wasn’t the original thread statement already resolved? I stopped watching this thread after I replied until someone here attacked my statement from another thread.
But yeah some peoples are really stubborn and will never accept others being right because it would mean that they are wrong.
I’d like to thank all of you for the quality entertainment this thread has provided. Now I’m going to get back to playing on my mix of Alpha and Omega accounts, feeling neither advantaged nor disadvantaged because each serves their purpose. Whether you pay a subscription for Omega, or play Alpha for free, it doesn’t affect my gameplay in the slightest…
I agree here though. EVE is inherently a freemium. Which isn’t equal to pay to win.
CCP selling PLEX however is pay to win type of monetization because the player buying it for cash and selling it for ingame money is getting an advantage over those not spending cash.
Yes I never disputed SP gave no advantage. It is an advantage yes. But SP or plex will save you in the end.
Twisting my point here. Specifically, to EVE a person who put no money in this game can destroy someone who has spent all kinds of money. I generalize specific to EVE alone. The basis is if there is an absolute advantage or not. I apply this to every game I evaluate. There is a spectrum of PTW and not PTW. This is not a clear-cut issue. CCP needs to do the things they do to stay afloat as a business. That is an entirely different discussion.
As others have said take a look at other horrible PTW games EVE is nothing compared to them.
the same question for you: what’s the advantage of buying and selling plex ? what’s the win condition ? unless it’s for RMT, there’s not a clear scenario here.
Players of each game that even you consider to be P2W by your own definition will most likely protest and tell you, that you are wrong and their game isn’t P2W and will offer you even more handcrafted definition that excludes their game from the shameful label.
