Game of Alts - Multiboxing Explained

[Theodarum]

Is eve dead? uwu

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@Ridley_Rohan

And even if an anti-ganker fleet comes stomps him once a month, how often can we realistically expect an anti-ganker fleets of that effectiveness to form up just to go stomp him?

Its very easy for one man to just wait until a group breaks up and then go back to what he was doing since this is EVE and said group cannot stomp him once and then throw him in a jail cell.

Well, if you don’t want to wait for a group to form up to deal with him, you’re more than welcome to make a bunch of alts, and multi-box an anti-ganking effort against him.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Destiny_Corrupted

Well, if you don’t want to wait for a group to form up to deal with him, you’re more than welcome to make a bunch of alts, and multi-box an anti-ganking effort against him.

(laughs in Kusion)

[Destiny_Corrupted]

This highlights the free rider problem quite nicely. Everyone is screaming “won’t somebody come and save us from the mean multi-boxing griefer!?” when all of these people could band together and quite easily, and permanently, shut down not only this person, but pretty much every single ganker in the game.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Destiny_Corrupted

when all of these people could band together and quite easily, and permanently, shut down not only this person, but pretty much every single ganker in the game.

If you believe that, you are just lost.

[Qia_Kare]

PvE players multibox. Miners sure do. The fly in the ointment seems to be that every account a PvE player would dedicate to defense hurts their bottom line and they object to having to consider their environment or compromise on their isk/hr to account for other players.

I expect I’m on the opposite end of the spectrum from Shipwreck on multiboxing. I’m not a fan, and it’s not something I ever did. Still, I find the idea that there’s nothing people can do about multibox gankers real hard to take seriously. It doesn’t take too much effort to notice 10 or 20 Kusions in local. It’s quite possible to fly ships so cheap that any victory over you is completely pyrrhic. The more boxes such a ganker brought to bear against you the more money they’d lose. The counter to highsec multiboxing gankers exists if people can get over their irrational preference for blingy ships in ganking territory.

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Ridley_Rohan

That video proves little.

Kusion could show 100 hours of video, with his hands, with a CCP dev watching over his shoulder.

It still wouldn’t be enough for some people. They will always move the goal posts.

If people are going to call him a cheater, they need to prove it.

[Miranda_Farron]

@Clary_Daemon

Also, when I played wow, there was a well known horde multiboxer that went into bgs and had 8 or 9 mages.

He wrecked the alliance every time.

… and there is the problem.

Don’t think you meant to perfectly illustrate what’s wrong with multiboxing but thank you for doing so. Just because it’s become the norm in EVE doesn’t make it any better or any less broken.

[Miranda_Farron]

@Destiny_Corrupted

when all of these people could band together

People don’t band together in EVE.

Even the gankers don’t band together. They just make 25 accounts.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Qia_Kare

It’s quite possible to fly ships so cheap that any victory over you is completely pyrrhic.

Sure. We could all mine in ventures and fly empty T1 frieghters around. Sounds thrilling.

@Qia_Kare

It doesn’t take too much effort to notice 10 or 20 Kusions in local.

This is true. But its hard to do anything about it when you have just jumped into local and they are all over the gate. I suspect the guy is not going after corvettes, nor even slashers and condors. Probably not even well fitted T2 ships.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Daichi_Yamato

If people are going to call him a cheater, they need to prove it.

HOW???

What they need to do is stop calling him a cheater without good proof, and instead SUSPECT he is cheating and report him as such, if they really think he is. But don’t talk like people have private investigators at their beck and call. WE can’t prove anything until maybe he streams a mistake or something.

@Daichi_Yamato

They will always move the goal posts.

If you are going to call every single doubter who never watched those 100 hours of video “goal post movers” YOU need to prove it!

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Ridley_Rohan

If you are going to call every single doubter who never watched those 100 hours of video “goal post movers” YOU need to prove it!

Well you’re right about reporting Kusion if you think he’s cheating. But that hasn’t stopped the goalposts now shifting to ‘multi-boxing’ is cheating.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Daichi_Yamato

But that hasn’t stopped the goalposts now shifting to ‘multi-boxing’ is cheating.

I don’t follow. I can see that opinions have maybe changed but not goal posts. What’s your proof?

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@Miranda_Farron

People don’t band together in EVE.

Even the gankers don’t band together. They just make 25 accounts.

Sounds like something said by a person who’s never done PvP before.

@Ridley_Rohan

This is true. But its hard to do anything about it when you have just jumped into local and they are all over the gate.

Scouting ahead (especially in hot territory) is EVE 101, from 2003. If you insist on carrying a hoard, and then both refuse to use a second account, and refuse to play with other people so that you’re unable to ask someone for help, then that’s on you.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Destiny_Corrupted

Scouting ahead (especially in hot territory) is EVE 101,

And Internet Posting 101 is “follow the context”. Here it is for you:

@Qia_Kare

I expect I’m on the opposite end of the spectrum from Shipwreck on multiboxing. I’m not a fan, and it’s not something I ever did.

So that leaves the option of getting someone else to scout for you…someone you obviously need to be able to trust. As someone who was never into the social aspect of EVE, that sounds like quite a lot of work even I do otherwise play with other people. Running in a fleet is one thing, but convincing them to scout and trusting them with the task? That’s asking quite a bit.

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Ridley_Rohan

I can see that opinions have maybe changed but not goal posts.

But their opinion hasn’t changed. They are still calling people cheaters.

But now the exact nature of that cheating has changed because they were proven wrong.

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@Ridley_Rohan

So that leaves the option of getting someone else to scout for you…someone you obviously need to be able to trust. As someone who was never into the social aspect of EVE, that sounds like quite a lot of work even I do otherwise play with other people. Running in a fleet is one thing, but convincing them to scout and trusting them with the task? That’s asking quite a bit.

Not being able to make good friends is your, and not the game’s, fault.

If you’re that socially handicapped, then stick to single-player games. It really is that simple.

[Qia_Kare]

@Ridley_Rohan

So that leaves the option of getting someone else to scout for you…someone you obviously need to be able to trust.

This is what I did. To make plain my point of view, I do not like relying on other people for help, but I find that if I don’t put myself in a position to require help, I don’t make much contact with people, I don’t make friends, and I don’t end up having as enjoyable an experience in game as I otherwise might.

One might skin their knee learning to ride a bike, like I used to, but I really like riding bikes now that I know how. I don’t want to hurt myself. I don’t want to do things I find uncomfortable, either, but there can be a reward beyond the difficulty that’s worth the effort and then some.

[Ridley_Rohan]

@Destiny_Corrupted

If you’re that socially handicapped, then stick to single-player games. It really is that simple.

You left out the option of adapting, my preferred option. Saying anything in EVE is “that simple” is foolish and naive.

And most great stories of EVE evolve around? Oh yeah…betrayal. Only the socially inept get betrayed? Uhhhh…no.

Oh and multi-boxers…I bet there are quite a few socially inept ones.

@Destiny_Corrupted

Not being able to make good friends is your, and not the game’s, fault.

That’s…not what I said. I said get someone you can trust. “Good friend” is too general and not quite what that means.

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@Ridley_Rohan

I said get someone you can trust.

Entirely possible, which means, once again, that this is a personal issue, and not the game’s fault.

There’s no excuse for flying unscouted through dangerous areas, whether by virtue of using alts, or having other players help you out.