Hey, CCP. i know what your doing and i dont think its going to work

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Siegfried_Tahl

You still struggle to understand. PVE is my preferred in-game activity. The fun.

You are not normal. For the majority of players paying by PLEX PvE is a menial grind that they are forced to do to earn their PLEX each month, leaving no time to do anything but grind for PLEX.

You are advocating to get rid of people who’re plexing? Do you expect them all to sub instead? Really?

I do not expect all of them to pay for the game normally. I consider the loss in players an acceptable price to pay for removing all of the RMT and making EVE a game about in-game skill and achievements, not how much IRL cash you’re willing to spend.

The choice is not as simple as that though. Losing PVP ship is not the same as losing PVE ship. I prefer making zero ISK not to lose 1.5 bil, which is already replaced of course, but still loss sets you back a week or more. Extra shopping time, extra travel time. Effort outweights fun.

It’s absolutely that simple. If you prefer to make zero ISK staying docked permanently over playing the game, losing ships, and still making a net profit then you are a coward. You’re so terrified of loss that you will make irrational choices to avoid it.

You don’t understand PVE crowd, do you? Expensive mods, bling fits. Why people use those, how do you think?

All of that bling has zero value. It’s just pixels in a game, no stakes whatsoever. If you feel otherwise then you have a significant problem with telling the difference between fantasy and reality, and you need to seek professional help. If you get so angry that you make IRL death threats over losing your pixels then you really need to seek professional help.

[Xanthellus]

ITT: people who apparently aren’t intelligent enough to realise and accept that different people have different likes, dislikes, reasons for playing that might stem from their RL situation, goals or limitations.

Instead they keep telling others how wrong they are for playing a game in a manner they enjoy. And that game is a sandbox game…

[Merin_Ryskin]

ITT: “BOTH SIDES ARE VALID” nonsense defending RMT and taking the game so seriously that you make IRL death threats over losing a ship, as if those things are legitimate “play styles”.

[Xanthellus]

What?

[Hug_Motsu]

@Merin_Ryskin

And let’s not ignore the fact that you’re probably an outlier with those numbers. I’ve seen far more people making 1.6 billion per month and spending 1.5 billion of it on PLEX so they can pay to do it again next month, meanwhile complaining that they have no ISK and can never do anything but farm. It’s a miserable existence that removes all fun from the game and replaces it with a desperate grind to reach your PLEX target before you run out of time for the month.

Man, stop being so damn negative… and send those people to me, or anywhere on the forums, google or brave newbies - which is an awesome, nice, friendly, and welcoming newbro corps living in null.
Making ISK is fairly easy, thats why CCP is nerfing everything (thus this thread)

I bet the grind you are describing is more of an outliner, it’s a typical “newbie” scenario.
If I wanted to (now when i am around 1-2 year into this game) I can make 1.5b in like 4-6 hours, if I plex my other two accounts, I can do 2b/3hrs EZ (in ‘liquid’ wallet isk mind you).

That is NOW, today… in 6-12 months(?) when CCP has gone around the entire game nerfed everything, I’m sure I will have lost interest in this game? it’s not like I hoard my isk, I spend it. I “build” my networth and my capabilitys.

so… losing ship to a spectrum kid, with his 10 alts and his ■■■■■■■ gate camp … is only really “okay” as long as I win the isk-war between; his gate camp and my PvE grind.

CCP wants back the “old days” where losing stuff to PVP was “very noticeable” … but CCP is dumb, living in the past, those days are never gonna come back.
you know those “old good days” were the players had to train skills, to be able to train skills…

also, PLEX is around 1.3b now… so woppdy-doo, those players now have an extra 300m isk to spend? probably more cus they should have better grinding ships/skills by now (it was quite some time since plex was 1.6b?)

Also. fyi. Not everyone can or want to pay the omega subscription for different reasons.
so you should not judge people and their decisions to “play2grind”

@Merin_Ryskin

We can explain it. We’re not going to bother explaining it to someone who admits that they don’t even know what capitalism, communism, and socialism are.

dude. please. just stop.
when people openly admit that they don’t know much about a subject - if you are smart (which you obviously are…) you should always assume they know a great ■■■■■■■ deal, most likely they know a lot more than you.
only a so-called “Dunham Krueger” claim they know everything.

and tbh, just say “okay im sorry, you where right i dont know what i was thinking… obviously removing the free market is not equal to capitalism - its like you said; more communism then capitalism”

@Destiny_Corrupted

There’s nothing wrong with being risk-averse anyway. The issue has always been that these people ask for the risk to be removed systemically, instead of working to mitigate it themselves. That is why they are resented.

uhm… nope.
the issue is people who think this is true.
thats a real issue, becouse when someone says “hey this might be a little bit unfair / fun-breaking” people just grief… calliing them names like “carebears” (which in this thread, a lot of people seem to throw around… obviously … not even knowing what it means… )

@Merin_Ryskin

ITT: “BOTH SIDES ARE VALID” nonsense defending RMT and taking the game so seriously that you make IRL death threats over losing a ship, as if those things are legitimate “play styles”.

who the ■■■■ have made death threats?!
was it one dude… like 2-3 years ago… who got banned for life?
live in the present pls.

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@Hug_Motsu

losing ship to a spectrum kid, with his 10 alts and his ■■■■■■■ gate camp

Go away. You have no credibility saying stuff like that. You are literally a nobody, just some whiny-mouthed carebear pubbie kicking and thrashing against other players destroying your ship in a game about destroying spaceships, and CCP taking away your ability to grow a figure in your wallet without being affected by anyone else.

No one will miss you.

[Hug_Motsu]

@Destiny_Corrupted

Go away. You have no credibility saying stuff like that.

so… your back… you gonna log into merlin and post some more stuff or you staying on this account?
its funny you talk about credibility mr.“removing the freemarket is actully capitalism”

[Destiny_Corrupted]

You’re not even doing the whole “sociopath” thing. You’re literally railing against people with cognitive disabilities, and tying those disabilities to a play style you dislike.

If you died tomorrow, no one would miss you.

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Hug_Motsu

I can make 1.5b in like 4-6 hours

Spending 4-6 hours paying for a $15 subscription means a $2.5-3.75/hour wage that you’re earning. PLEXing to subscribe is a trap for people who don’t understand money.

(Or masochists who enjoy PvE, but I don’t think there are enough of those to keep the PLEX system going.)

@Hug_Motsu

More stupidity.

There is no point in discussing this subject with someone who admits that they don’t even know basic concepts like “what is communism”. You’re proudly ignorant, everything you have posted on this subject is utter nonsense, and you should really stop digging that hole even deeper.

who the ■■■■ have made death threats?!

I have had multiple people make death threats towards me because I destroyed their imaginary internet spaceship. And that’s just death threats, the assorted verbal abuse and such is an even longer list.

its funny you talk about credibility mr.“removing the freemarket is actully capitalism”

The ability to buy success in EVE via out of game means is not the free market because RMT does not exist within the EVE market. It’s the equivalent of the state deciding that your company sucks at business so they’re going to hand you a billion dollars to keep you from failing. You didn’t earn it by success on the free market, you had some external force shield you from failure because they want to give everyone a chance to have their participation trophy.

[Hug_Motsu]

@Merin_Ryskin

Spending 4-6 hours paying for a $15 subscription means a $2.5-3.75/hour wage that you’re earning.

@Merin_Ryskin

The ability to buy success in EVE via out of game means is not the free market because RMT does not exist within the EVE market. It’s the equivalent of the state deciding that your company sucks at business so they’re going to hand you a billion dollars to keep you from failing. You didn’t earn it by success on the free market, you had some external force shield you from failure because they want to give everyone a chance to have their participation trophy.

RMT exists within the eve market, i know you know this, as you just said:
“$15 subscription means a $2.5-3.75/hour wage”

I also find it kinda ironic and funny that you say “this stuff dont happen” and then go on to described exactly how the U.S government handled the U.S banks, when their shitty banking/loans bankrupted the entire nation and destabilized a big part of the world’s economy.

Yes, you obviously know alot about stuff. you are no internet troll at all.

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Hug_Motsu

RMT exists within the eve market

No it doesn’t. It is an out of game mechanic that results in in-game advantages.

i know you know this, as you just said:
“$15 subscription means a $2.5-3.75/hour wage”

Pointing out the cash equivalent that you are valuing your time at does not mean that RMT is an in-game mechanic.

I also find it kinda ironic and funny that you described exactly how the U.S government handled the U.S banks, when their shitty banking/loans bankrupted the entire nation and destabilized a big part of the world’s economy.

What does that have to do with anything? The US is not a capitalist economy.

Yes, you obviously know alot about stuff.

I know more than an ignorant child like you, who openly admits that they don’t know what communism is.

[Hug_Motsu]

@Merin_Ryskin

No it doesn’t.

oh you got me! you got me with your trolling…
You managed to troll me into saying “RMT” … that is your word, you put the RMT into the sentence.
and i just continued without thinking anything of it.

Ah. but im sorry your manipulations dont work against me.

i was saying, almost word for word: “removing plex, skill injectors, expert systems, character bazzar = communism”

NOW you try to make it look, like we where discussing RMT all along…
lol… you just making ■■■■ up you little troll… haha… sorry you better try to troll someone your own level.

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Hug_Motsu

i was saying, almost word for word: “removing plex, skill injectors, expert systems, character bazzar = communism”

Yes, that’s because you’re an ignorant child who admits that they don’t know what communism is. Removing out of game “pay to win” mechanics is not communism.

NOW you try to make it so those things is really RMT…

Because they are indisputably RMT. They are simply RMT that CCP has endorsed as legal.

Are you one of those players who sucks at EVE, has to resort to RMTing to pretend to succeed, and gets really embarrassed when people point out that what you’re doing is RMT?

[Hug_Motsu]

@Merin_Ryskin

Because they are indisputably RMT. They are simply RMT that CCP has endorsed as legal.

no. RMT is something else.
RMT would mean that it was possible for me to trade isk into money.
RMT = REAL MONEY TRADE.
the trade goes both ways.

YOU was talking about removing real money deposits for ingame advatages…
and i called you a communist.

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Hug_Motsu

RMT would mean that it was possible for me to trade isk into money.

Or money into ISK. Which is exactly what you are doing when you buy ISK via PLEX, buy skill injectors from the F2P cash shop, etc.

and i called you a communist.

And I called you an ignorant child who admits they don’t even understand what the word “communism” means. One of us is correct and it isn’t you.

[Hug_Motsu]

@Merin_Ryskin

Or money into ISK. Which is exactly what you are doing when you buy ISK via PLEX, buy skill injectors from the F2P cash shop, etc.

no RMT = money for isk + isk for money.
RM Deposits for ingame advatages is not rmt.
rtfm.

@Merin_Ryskin

And I called you an ignorant child who admits they don’t even understand what the word “communism” means. One of us is correct and it isn’t you.

Yes i know what you called me, are you waiting for me to get upset or something? … lol.

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Hug_Motsu

RM Deposits for ingame advatages is not rmt.

I’ll call it “pay to win trash” if it makes you feel better. The point still stands, you’re one of those people who sucks at EVE and demands the ability to buy participation trophies with real currency so you can feel better about it.

Yes i know, are you waiting for me to get upset or something?

You’re already upset, it’s painfully obvious in every single thing you have posted here.

PS: you still haven’t explained how removing pay to win trash has anything to do with collective ownership of the means of production.

[Xeux]

People used to think that the internet would allow for greater personal achievement and the expression of sublime truths from every part of humanity. Instead, we get endless interchanges like this. What is even the point of debating with somebody that openly admits they don’t care about useless stuff, like knowledge?

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Xeux

What is even the point of debating with somebody that openly admits they don’t care about useless stuff, like knowledge?

Pornhub is down and I need something.

[Hug_Motsu]

@Merin_Ryskin

I’ll call it “pay to win trash” if it makes you feel better. The point still stands, you’re one of those people who sucks at EVE and demands the ability to buy participation trophies with real currency so you can feel better about it.

hahaha. its not like i have said in this thread i buy plex for isk? and also i think i have been pretty clear that i have defended the people who do?

no sorry dude, i dont have rl money to buy pixels, my doggo just broke his paw and vets expensive af.

Also its not “pay to win trash” its the future, its good for the game… and im sure your l33t pvp skills gonna outplay this “pay2 win trash” when hes out doing pve… am i right?