@Geo Eclipse Oksaras Is there a reason why you are insulting me? It is NOT ChatGPT based. So no, I will not be replying to you any further, as I do NOT take kindly to being falsely accused of using AI. God… this community is so toxic.
On that you are right. I find that people on other forums are that way as well, unfortunately. That’s mostly why I hate social media, because just tend to either resort to insults (including racial slurs) or putting people down.
Perhaps you understand me because we’re closer in age than the other people here (and in forums in general). The toxicity is just beyond baffling imo. Ah yes! DOS games and slightly post DOS. Sometimes, I do miss those older games lol. I remember Wolfenstein 3D fondly more than any other. Also Red Alert 2 was fun. Oh! And Dune 2 was magnificent.
As for STO, it’s a shame for the foundry. I enjoyed one in particular to test my DPS lol. Now that THAT is gone, it’s much harder. Especially when it comes to the survivability of pets AND their fire power.
Not trying to be toxic I want to understand what you want but you arent elaborating what the differences are.
We’ve had an influx lately of ppl coming here and making suggestions using nothing but AI, and using terms not common with eve
Alpha -20 mil SP limit, (current setup)
Beta- 60 mil SP limit (can train up to level 3 in barges and industrial, no cloak, more T2 mods some PI and corp management)
Lambda - 100 mil sp limit (level 5 battleships, can cloak, train market skills to 4, some fleet command, can fly subcaps and T2s less than battlecruiser, no t3, can fly exhumers
Omega- full game
That’s what I thought of at 530 in the morning and what I been asking you the whole time @Malazan_Commander is how you come up with the difference in each sub.
Is it such a bad thing to ask for someone who posts an idea to elaborate?
I prefer the current design where a player can simply pay for a subscription to unlock the full game.
Some piecewise monetary scheme that pushes you to “please pick the next tier too because it has this one ship you like” feels like it’s going to make thinking about paying too much part of the game. Worse, it would make the tiers part of game design and people start asking for “please add some Lambda-tier ships, Beta and Omega already got some last year!” No thanks.
Either pay or don’t, both are valid options.
You can even be Omega without paying if you choose to do so.
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This. Keep it simple. There are lots of good Alpha fits to participate in many aspects of the game. Basically everything except heavy non-effort resource grinding/processing (aka large PI schemes or mining/gas huffing / industry).
But for combat, you can do a lot solo and even more group-content. Maybe not as the main flagship, but in a support role, for absolutely free. Which is already great, no?
I really don’t see a benefit in an even more clustered subscription model. And seriously, it takes a lot to be in a RL-situation where you can’t afford to spend like $15 a MONTH for a hobby like EVE. And if you happento be in such an unfortunate situation for whatever sad reason, enjoy the already free alpha mode without any pressure instead of scratching your last dimes together and spending them on a time-consuming monster like EVE.
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But what if there were different types of cheaper subs so you could choose to specialise in industry and get acces to barges exhumers and the upwell haulers plus pi or you specialise in combat and get access to t2 but not capitals
Then CCP would get less money as people who have alts for those activities can downscale their costs, so CCP has to raise prices elsewhere to make up for it and we all end up paying more.
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No. But what IS, is falsely accusing someone of using AI. The audacity for you to insult someone by claiming that, “this post was chatgpt derived”. There is no greater general insult than this when it comes to the age of AI.
So… You do NOT want MOST players to have access to the game then? Do you REALLY think most people can afford 20$ USD/month? Absolutely not.
First of all, it’s 20$, NOT 15$. Secondly, you assume most people can afford to pay 20$ a month. The reality is that most people can’t. Where I live, the cost in my currency is over 30$, after taxes.
Worse, it would make the tiers part of game design and people start asking for “please add some Lambda-tier ships, Beta and Omega already got some last year!” No thanks.
If that is your best argument, it’s extremely weak. The fact that you’re ok with excluding people is just sad more than anything.
Yeah, that would be fine too. Or, even having a specific sub for the last factions in the ship tree where you currently need an Omega sub to even pilot them. As long as something changes in a positive way, then it’s a win for players.
Do you have actual calculations to back up this unsubstantiated claim?
In most Western nations, yes. In the United States, certainly. If you can afford a computer suitable for gaming and a broadband Internet connection, you can most likely afford $20/month. From what I’ve seen, people of all income levels in the U.S. spend more than that every week on junk food, fast food, designer beverages, etc. Not to mention how much people spend on other entertainment options like streaming services.
The question comes down to whether or not you assign $20 of value to EVE. If you’d rather spend that $20 on Starbucks, Red Bull, Taco Bell, Paramount Plus, etc., then that’s a personal value decision for each individual to make. However, games like EVE cost money to produce and maintain, and that money needs to come from somewhere. I think it’s already generous that CCP offers what amounts to an unlimited free trial.
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I couldn’t disagree more with you. I live in a “Western nation” myself and that IS expensive. Furthermore, the fact that you have the gall to assume that you know people’s personal situations is ridiculous.
If you’d rather spend that $20 on Starbucks, Red Bull, Taco Bell, Paramount Plus
Starbucks: A cheap date with your wife.
Red Bull: What? In what universe is that 20$? Also, you have bigger issues if you buy Red Bull. 
Taco Bell: Your wife is nearing her cycle, and she craves Taco Tell.
Paramount Plus: You have kids and they love Star Trek.
Now, what were you saying again?
I think it’s already generous that CCP offers what amounts to an unlimited free trial.
Oh please. I play Star Trek Online as well, and their model is 10 times better than what EVE Online offers. So unless you wanna keep using that argument above, I suggest you find a better argument.
Thank you for proving my point. You just enumerated a list of things you place more value on than you do playing EVE. That is your personal prerogative. It does not change the economics of the gaming industry, nor does it entitle you to pay less to play EVE simply because you’d prefer.
By the way, I don’t drink the crap (Starbucks, either) but Red Bull costs $2/can. I’ve worked with guys who drink $20 worth in a day or two. I didn’t even mention cigarettes, nicotine pouches, beer, booze, etc., all of which cost more.
Then go play STO. Seriously. Go.
I did not prove your point at all. I would NOT expect someone who single, don’t have kids, and are wealthier than most to understand. Not everyone is as fortunate as you when it comes to money. All you are trying to do is to dehumanize people, because they can’t afford certain luxuries in life. If this wasn’t enough, the prices of groceries AND rent have gone up. So please, don’t lecture me OR anyone else because they can’t afford 20$ USD+ taxes, a month. The audacity here is so ridiculous.
Then you seem to live in an somewhat underdevelopled country with many economic problems. Not sure if I can recommend you playing costly video games and wasting your lifetime with spending hours, weeks and months with a monetized time-eater, transferring the little money you have into an already rich-in-comparison western country.
Spending all that time and the bit of money you seem to have avaible to improve your situation or the situation of your family so you can get out of there first, seems like a lot better plan to me.
I certainly won’t support creating subscription models that even lure the poorest people into the time-wasting trap of videogaming. That kind of stuff is simply a time-sink and hobby for people who already “have it all”, so it doesn’t hurt to milk their wallets a bit to bring cash from personal pockets into back into the industry where it creates jobs. If 15, 20 or even 30 bucks is called “expensive” where ou live, enjoy free Alpha for your own good. Or play something else that is free.
It’s only 20$ if you buy your subscription one month at a time, which I don’t recommend doing.
Wait a month or two, save your money as Alpha and then spend the money you saved buying Omega three months at a time for significantly less than 20$ a month.
Sure we do. And you have no say at all about what advice you get. Feel free to ignore it and spend your last cash on videogaming. It’s your life and your money. But don’t expect others to support you with bad ideas.
I live in a first world country. With a much better health care system, no school shootings, and NO leader who is trying to destroy the world economy (unlike Trump). I live in a Social Democracy, and I would NEVER want to live in the US. I have a better life in the country I live in, where we believe that people should better access to services such as healthcare - if you want to pay 10-20K for your wife delivering a baby, that’s your choice. Here, it would cost 0$.
You have the audacity to believe that most people can afford to pay 20$ USD a month. Your arguments are the same arguments as those who state that for the economy to work, there must be poor people. Instead of understanding that solutions exist to be more inclusive, you rather exclude people. If CCP wishes to ignore the fact that most people can’t afford to spend that much money, that’s on them.
AND, for you to believe that someone who pays more than 2K in rent monthly, plus cellphone bills over a 100$ monthly AND an internet bill over 100$ monthly is poor, we have a VERY different definition of poor.
Sure we do. And you have no say at all about what advice you get. Feel free to ignore it and spend your last cash on videogaming. It’s your life and your money. But don’t expect others to support you with bad ideas.
Again, you support a system which empowers the rich, and crushes those with less money. That said, my original post is for the devs to read. What YOU believe, is 100% irrelevant. I couldn’t care less if you disagree with me. I did not create that post for you. The audacity that you believe that you are entitled to be correct is laughable.