What you say make sense in principle. I don’t know how much money you make a year, but if you had to pay: Over 2K for rent (monthly), plus ~250$ for a cellphone AND internet bill, and around 650-700$ for food monthly. Could you justify spending an extra 20$ USD a month? A lot of people are much less fortunate than I am, and can afford that extra 20$ even less.
Do you know why Star Trek Online chose a fully Free-to-Play model? To increase player population, engagement, and create a dynamic economy. This happened ~2 years after STO was released. And honestly, I was able to spend money in THAT economy because I wanted to support the devs. The current Omega model in EVE Online caters to players who are more fortunate, economically speaking. So, what incentives do I have to pay a monthly sub in EVE Online when it looks down upon lower income players?
In STO, there is a 6 part event over the course of the year. You get this: A free PREMIUM Tier 6 ship of your choosing, a non-premium Tier 6 ship of your choosing, AND 1,000 lobi. Do you know how much money this is if you had to spend money? Around 400$ or so. They do it, because players are willing to pay money during the course of the year. For them, giving that stuff out despite their worth, ensures that players are both grateful, and more willing to support the devs.
No. I’m trying to point out that if I have $10 in my wallet, and I decide I’m only willing or able to spend $2 on a cup of coffee, I don’t get to walk in to Starbucks and demand they sell me a cup of coffee for $2. The guy behind the counter will look at the menu board and say, “The cheapest we offer is a $4 cup.” If I then insist that Dunkin’ Donuts across the street sells a cup of coffee for two bucks, the barista’s right and proper response would be to say, “Then go to Dunkin’.”
I’m not entitled to a cup of Starbucks coffee. I’m not entitled for Starbucks to re-arrange their menu (and their entire business model) to suit me. I can either choose to pay what they ask (if I see the value proposition in their offering) or I can go elsewhere for a cup of coffee. This is basic capitalism.
From the person who justified paying for Starbucks, Taco Bell, and Paramount Plus. All are as equally a “luxury” as EVE Online. If you can’t pay for EVE, give up one of the aforementioned. Sometimes we have to make choices in life.
STO sounds like a great game. Maybe you should just play that instead.
I’d call that someone just “stupid”. But thats just me. And yes, if he can’t afford $20 on top of all that for a hobby, he is indeed poor as ■■■■.
Sure you did, you posted in a public forum, which means anyone can give you feedback on it. And I did. The idea isn’t helpful. People with so little money shouldn’t be lured even further in monetized time-eaters like online games. They are best advised if told how to get their life in order, so spending $20 for anything is a sheer no-brainer.
I hate this whole “gimme it cheaper cos am poor” horse manure that seems to be the nugget at the core of this post.
I get poor, I just got laid off there two weeks ago and now burning through my savings and heading to Fuckedville Tennessee.
Am I on asking every service I use to lower the price especial for me? No.
I’m prepaid up to next July, if I haven’t got work by then I just drop to Alpha, simples, but to be honest if I haven’t found work by then, eve will not be what’s on my mind anyway.
Get on your feet, do stuff, make your situation better. Get a job, get a better job, save money, invest, have nice things. Lose it all. Start again. Keep going.
Yes, it’s hard, and it’s not fair, and it’sa load of bollocks most of the time, but unless you’re born into money, that’s just how it be dawg.
Nothing wrong with being Alpha. Sure, your ship and module options are reduced, but not entirely wiped out, you can get good Alpha fits.
Stop using “tierd subscription” as a fig leaf for begging.
From the person who justified paying for Starbucks, Taco Bell, and Paramount Plus. All are as equally a “luxury” as EVE Online. If you can’t pay for EVE, give up one of the aforementioned. Sometimes we have to make choices in life.
First of all, I don’t ever go to Starbucks, I’ve never been to Taco Bell, and I do NOT have Paramount+.
Well. That aged like milk.
Oh please, all you did with that comment is expose yourself, as it’s clear you don’t know what is considered a high rent. And let’s face it, you’re looking at the rent I pay, internet and phone bills and think those are high. Here? They’re not. Rent can easily cost 3,500-4,000$ here. I’m on the lower end. As for cellphones on the lower end, it cost between 100-120$ (2 people) plus taxes. Whereas the higher end is 150$ (2 people) plus taxes. So yeah, an extra 20$ a month is pretty damn expensive.
They are best advised if told how to get their life in order, so spending $20 for anything is a sheer no-brainer.
Dude. Don’t bother replying, because I will simply ignore any further comment that you post (I won’t even read them). Your level of condescension is so staggeringly high. My idea in my original post is a really good idea, and I won’t change my mind because you think it’s a bad idea. What is NOT helpful, is the fact that you are criticizing an idea to the point that you aren’t even trying to add either: Solutions, modifications, or constructive feedback. So pardon me if I don’t value your comments.
CCP are not going to do it simply because it muddies the waters. Too much choice costs sales. Players will see all the different subscription levels and reason themselves out of the purchase entirely. They won’t want to pay the top tier price if cheaper options exist, but if they purchase a cheaper option they will feel like they are purchasing an inferior product because know they’ll miss out on things in the top tier product.
It is not a good idea.
A chorus of people, some completely unaffiliated from each other and with no stake in their opinions, are all telling you it’s not a good idea.
Your ego needs it to be a good idea but on this occasion, your ego is not getting what it wants, as I imagine it is used to by now.
So, in addition to unregulated emotions and a raging sense of entitlement, you also have delusions of grandeur? How nice. I’ve no more time for you, chuckles.
First of all, what do you ACTUALLY mean by tier 1-4 ships? If you’re going to suggest this and you want support, you have to at least supply something concrete. So far all we know is that Titans are tier 4. Give us actual tiers of stuff, don’t just use the current nomenclature in a weird way and confuse everyone.
Second, the incentives don’t seem well thought out.
1 is a hard sell for people who aren’t really interested in any other games. 2 already exists for everyone to some degree, are you suggesting that only people who have paid up can ask the questions? 3 is fine I guess. Do I get to keep the skins from 4 each month, or do they disappear after the month unless I choose them again. 5 makes absolutely no sense and makes me wonder if you did use some sort of AI to make this post despite your denial. 6 is blatant pay2win. 7 is fine.
Third, how do these new sub tiers affect existing omega-gated skills? If I can do as much industry stuff as I want on a beta clone there’s 0 reason for me to sub to omega on an account dedicated to industry.
FOR THE LAST TIME, I DID NOT USE AI! This is simply harassment at this point. I am sick and tired of you all being so damn accusatory. This community is immensely toxic. Congratulations for pushing new players away.
You are just as bad as those other people, honestly. Instead of actually making suggestions OR providing ACTUAL feedback, all YOU do is criticize. If you’ve been playing this game for a God damn decade, congratulations. I have not. Instead of showing grace to new players, you’ve all decided to be bullies.
Seriously, what is wrong with you all? Is it hard for you all to constructive, instead of tearing down a player?
Leave me alone. I will NOT answer any of your questions. I am done with you all. You all preferred being jerks to me. How tf is a new player suppose to feel welcome when ALL he is exposed to is criticism from the bottom up? So please, leave me alone.
I apologize if you didnt use AI. The layout and format that others have come here and admitted to using it is similar to yours.
We’re not trying to be toxic, we just dont have any information on how you come to these or still what the differences are. You never answered me on how many SP each one is limited to or which ships etc are gated behind each one.
Doubt. This community is extremely welcoming, friendly and helpful. But also very open when it comes to bad ideas. Deal with it. You can’t pre-select who can participate in open discussions.
