Wait for the day… We look at BDO and see if it has bots? And what if any mechanisms are in it?
We can do that now.
Why are you against seeing what the new owners do?
That does not preclude discussion of what CCP can do in EVE, now.
Why are you against discussing that?
At no point did I say it did. I said it should be included.
The only person claiming I said that is you.
Noted.
Obviously if PA makes an statements regarding botting in EVE, those will be considered, once, if, that ever happens. (PS: Those familiar with PAs history in BDO, repeatedly stress that they have very little if any interaction/communication with the community base).
Till then, we can discuss what can be done in EVE by CCP, here and now.
Especially regarding mining and ratting botters which are even as we speak harming balance, economy and reputation of EVE.
Pa’s only concern will be how to eviscerate CCP in the most efficient way,making the most money in the process and throw CCP including eve in the bin…that’s how buisness works…1 competitor less…
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It would seem CCP has been offered a carrot in the form of a bonus, and an undisclosed deadline in which to prove itself as sufficiently profitable, after which bonus is withdrawn and plausibly PA intervenes with their whip…
Plz dont derail into implications of ownership change. There are other thread for that.
This one is about CCP and us fixing the problem of botting harming EVEs balance, economy and reputation.
Yup. However CCP is a subsiduary now. While it will take some time and change will be gradual, making the challenge of really dealing with botting/automation a priority requires providing insight on scale, impact, evolution, costs and other consequences.
Without any of that, all you have is ranting in repetition.
If you are serious about engaging on the challenge of getting rid of botting/automation, you have a lot of homework. Keep in mind that CCP has consistantly scaled down anti-botting efforts, in favour of anti-rmt. Also keep in mind that they have lowered the sanctions. This in line with policies in place at their new owner.
The people who work at CCP do get that botting is a problem. But as already made clear by Team Security, there’s less and less resources allocated to fighting botting as a disease, it is seen as merely a symptom.
So here’s a good angle. Can you make a case that the increase of botting is negatively impacting the bottom line of revenue, and/or impacting the stability/functionality of the product. If so, then put that on the table, and then any possible practical approach suddenly becomes of interest. Only through the bottom line will we be able to convince those who set the priorities to not treat it as a symptom, but as a disease.
There’s no real distinction between CCP/PA for this. Venture → Product.
In the past a lot of people did exactly this kind of thing. It was what got CCP engaged. It has been years since anyone has done anything like it. Not surprisingly, since that time anti-botting focus has gone down.
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Is this a joke, or trolling.
Botting categorically negatively impacts CCPs bottomline, as well as ingame balance/economy and game reputation.
It reads like you are arguing botting is somehow benefitting CCP financially.
Explan how CCP is financially benefitting from botting in EVE.
There is literally no point in trying to tell him how to actually get what he wants from CCP.
I can only imagine he thinks bumping this thread with the same posts over and over will somehow encourage CCP to use his ideas in the form they are.
Whatever reason, it doesnt encourage any discussion because he just shuts it down if its not about telling him how good his ideas are.
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Neither you or Zachri have posted even one proposed means to fix the botting problem in EVE.
You literally took his advice on how to get CCP to listen to you and tried to spin it that he was saying CCP condones botting.
Why did you do that if you want your ideas to be used?
Secondly; am I not allowed to agree with your methods of bot limitation? Why must I come up with more to be allowed an opinion on this subject?
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Explain to me how bots are benefiting CCPs bottomline?
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Fine. You disagree with my proposal. But if you have nothing to offer instead, then what?
Nope.
I guess not
It seems the idea that I could agree with you is so alien that you dont actually read my words anymore.
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Ok, so what do you agree with in it?
All of it.
What Im not agreeing with is why you wont take advice on presenting your ideas to CCP.
Whether you feel its unnecessary to explain to them why botting is bad is not important, you have to make a case to them about your ideas in a professional manner and part of that is in the presentation.
I actuallly have. In fact, it’s something that’s been a part of gameplay focus since EVE went live. From dealing with autominers to bumpageddon, courier nets and so on and so forth, while reporting year after year.
What have you done? Ah yes, you’ve been whining on a forum repeating yourself in such a manner that doesn’t even impact the fundamental requirement that if you want solution X to be considered you have to make the case and you have to demonstrate the necessity.
What have you done?
Nothing but whine.
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Great!
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The below is not whine:
Proposal to reduce botting in EVE:
Its a three pronged strategy:
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Institute Delayed Local in Player NS to enable more bot hunting, with less intel to bots. This makes it easier for players to hunt/destroy botting ships.
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Crunch client sent data in terms of duration/frequency/repetition of activity, so that “inhuman” rates are flagged by a program for CCP staff to review, per instance, and abject clear inhuman botting duration/frequency autobanned pending appeal. This makes it easier for the small security staff to parse data for suspect activity.
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Institute a system of minigame popups, which occur when activity duratiin/frequency/repetitiin becomes suspicious, in circumstances that they wont paralayze a player, but will stump a bot. This prevents true-afk botting, which is the most harmful to EVE, its balance and economy.
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OP, you made one mistake. You assume that player happiness will rise if the bot problem is solved. Forget it. While botting is a problem, there are players who welcome the chance to be angry and unhappy about something. Solve the Bot problem, fine. But some players will just look for the next reason to not be happy with the game.
Bots are a problem for the well being of the entire game.
The only people that botting makes happy, are botters, those that benefit from/hide their activity and often associated RMTers.
Your post makes no sense.