Hypernet is not a scam

Hypernet has isn’t a scam it’s an RNG game. It’s like a casino built into eve. the house is the player posting the hypernet. You win some and you lose some. If you think Hypernet is a scam hate to break it to you, its the most honest aspect of the game. It shows you the price and how much each node costs. I mean hell if you can do third grade math you can even figure out the statistics to the drawings.


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OMG I am so confused right now…

Is it or is it not a scam? Can we have a tiebreaker vote please?

Schrödingers Scam: maybe it is, maybe its not.

75% SCAM.

A guy puts up a nyx, and buys half of the hypernet offers – then he wins his nyx and keeps all of the isk from everybody else. 100% scam

A guy puts up a loki (cannot put up fit loki’s, unfortunately), and 8 random others buy the hypernet tokens – still only 25% scam, cheaper to buy the item oughtright than to buy 8 hypernet tokens, as the law of large numbers will make sure that things even out over the long haul.

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Actually, that’s not a scam at all. Mathematically, the percentage gain from getting back the prize is exactly offset by the reduced income made from the drawing. The expected value remains the same.

The sum total of the tickets costing nearly twice the value of the item (most raffles I see have a 50-100% profit margin for the maker) is effectively a scam though, I agree.


The hypernet is a scam as much as the regional market is a scam: the mechanic is not a scam, but people can use it to sell overpriced items.

You know exactly what you are paying for and how much you pay, so it’s up to you to decide if you think buying that item (or in case of the hypernet: buying a well-defined chance at an item) is worth it for a certain price.


Anything that relies on one party’s ignorance in a transaction in order to make a profit off of them is technically a scam. And that’s what Hypernets are; an idiot/ignorance tax. In fact, the game enables this further by labeling certain Hypernets as a “good deal,” even though if you do some research, the margin for qualifying as such can be 50% over market value. CCP is doing this because it’s an income stream for them, of course. It’s in their best interests for players to snatch up Hypernets they erroneously think are “good value” so that people keep making more and more raffles. If Hypernetes weren’t directly tied to CCP’s revenue, I really doubt they would show faction battleships at nearly twice the value in green numbers.

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No you don’t. People are pushed to believe they can get a nyx for 200M as it is presented on the local chat, making the offer a scam in itself.
Just because can have access to the information, does not mean they know what they are paying and for which price. “having access to information” is not an argument when the information provided is formulated in a way to cloud the judgement.

Hypernet is an Idiot Tax that "separates the wheat from the chaff" as they say.



Lets say there are 20 nodes and I buy one of them (I wouldn’t because I think gambling is dumb), that means I have a 5% chance to win. To me it doesn’t matter who else wins if it’s not me, I only care about my win chance being 5%.

I don’t care if it’s a random idiot who also bought one node, I don’t care if it’s some random addict who bought 10 nodes, i also don’t care if it’s the person who created the thing and he bought 19 nodes. My 5% chance to win remains exactly that, nothing changes.


:smile: Just a little :smile:

:laughing:You had to go and say casino:laughing:

Honest or not, gambling isn’t my vice.

Thank you for your service announcement on Hypernet.

What’s more if the person who created it “gain more” by purchasing his own tickets, it implies that the act of buying a ticket is a positive gain. Which means that the creator is losing money in the first place, hypernet being a negative sum game. He’s not “gaining more” but “losing less” then.

I don’t care about that, it’s a gamble and my chance to win remains the same regardless of who else bought nodes. Why would I care who wins if it’s not me, it doesn’t affect me.

I mean, honestly… This isn’t some sort of rocket science. This is like explaining to a miner, for the Nth time, that the resources he gathered himself have value and affect the profit margin of his production process.

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They can get a Nyx for that price, if they are lucky.

It’s a chance, and this chance, ticket price and reward are all known.

I don’t see why it would be a scam to advertise a raffle. It’s annoying, yes, usually overpriced too. But not a scam, unless you consider ‘overpriced’ a scam.

I kind of expect people to be able to figure that out. Isn’t this part of what we learn at school as a kid? Multiplication, division and the likes?

Yes you do.
People do know how much they pay and what they buy. Some people may have trouble quantifying ‘5% chance at winning ship X’, but the expected value of that ticket simply is ‘5% of ship X’.

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Then they can’t. You go to a store because you can purchase food there. Not because you can if you are lucky. That’s what “can” means when talking purchases.
Giving gambling the appearance of a purchase is deception, and therefore part of the scam.

So according to you hacking crypto securities only require basic math so can be done by a kid.
What a stupid argument.
Nobody has infinite time. And claiming people are idiots because they don’t accept to spend more time than you in the game is plain insulting.

No they don’t.
You can keep repeating something wrong as much as you want, it’s still wrong.

It’s painful to consider that some people really are this thick.


We don’t need misleading information.

If I throw dice, can I throw a 6? Or am I unable to do so?

If I buy a lottery ticket, can I win?

If I buy a raffle ticket for a Nyx for 200m, can I get a Nyx that way?

Yes, people can get a Nyx for 200m, it’s just very unlikely. That does not make it a scam though, you know the odds, ticket price and reward.


I dislike the hypernet, personally, but it is not a scam by dint of the purchaser not doing their due diligence to understand what it is they’re buying.

You take the value of the item, multiply by your chances of winning, and that’s the ‘fair’ price for a ticket. It seems reasonable to expect a capsuleer to be familiar with mathematics of that caliber and be able to use them to make an informed decision about whether it is worthwhile to participate in a raffle or not.