You might be interested in this one:
No need for anything in return it is a free giveaway available to all (hence being public), though if you feel generous gift some rookies some stuff that is always helpful.
You might be interested in this one:
No need for anything in return it is a free giveaway available to all (hence being public), though if you feel generous gift some rookies some stuff that is always helpful.
Wow, now I am amazed So you run a ganking gang but for compensation you give away free stuff to newbies? That is honorable. Reminds me the morale of the sailboat pirates’ era
I actually might donate some stuff as well though I don’t have much noteworthy
P.S. Can I have the Rupture BPC (10 runs) please?
You are mistaken I never said I run a ganking gang or gank in general, am not a ganker, though have no problem with it and consider it yet another legitimate playstyle which at a later date might even try myself but so far never made a criminal act on any of my characters since I play EVE.
I am not doing these things be it piracy nor community stuff because of some moralization, as I’ve expressed in my giveaway / event thread people either play the game without applying RL morals to a spacepixels pew pew game or it is on them if they do so, thus even the piracy stuff I do I have no sleep lost over as it is part of the game and I do it as such without malicious intent, whether someone takes it in a mature way and accept as part of the gameplay experience is on them entirely and none of my concern.
The only goal with the giveaways is to help fellow capsuleers out, that’s it.
(The same capsuleers who I might shoot or trick or play mind and/or bait games with under different circumstances without anything malicious in the process, competing in a PvP game doesn’t mean any ill will has to be involved regardless if I am or someone else is on the winning or losing side, 'splosions and losses are all part of the experience.)
You can apply for the giveaways as described on the giveaway info page, you have to send a mail to the character mentioned with the listed details included which I will process the next time I check my EVEmails.
No need to donate to us, if it is just a few items it is simpler and easier if you just find some rookies in the career / starter systems and contact them, have a small chat and once you find someone gift them the stuff through a contract or direct trade.
The EVE denizens are amazingly kind people - I haven’t met so many nice at people in such a short time in any other MMOs. Maybe it’s because the beginning was hard for most of us. Or maybe it’s just how we would co-live in the RL space as human civilization
Well, you see, you are a little bit contradicting yourself here Maybe you are not attaching any RL moralization to a pew-pew game (which is healthy) but still you are bringing in the RL morale into it - just by talking nicely to newbies, teaching them, helping them, doing generous giveaways, and more.
Yesterday I actually saw on BBC an interview with the Assassins’ Creed game dev about this topic (BBC video, from around 2:00 mins):
" <…> because we feel what our avatars and the characters are living through."
There is no in EVE built-in emphasis on empathy BUT actually the community - people like you - brings this in. And that enriches the lore, it becomes part of it.
So, well, you are, of course, right - but not entirely Because this pew-pew game is also an amazing intellectual platform for the real people to interact and build-up connections
Well maybe it is just semantics but empathy and understanding the other side’s situation is not due to moralization, in the sense am not doing it because it is a bad or nasty thing to kill even rookies, if I see a suspect rookie I simply shoot it, no matter if in a rookie ship or whatever and have no second thoughts, I did this in the past on my main. The only exception is due to in-game rules regarding rookie griefing in specific systems but that’s it.
It is not evil to kill a rookie, nor is it a bad thing nor an immoral thing. Actually they might learn a thing or two from the experience. But I’m not hunting them specifically either, I consider them fellow players and just like in chess I defeat my opponent if I can or get defeated by them, all good either way.
However this does not prevent me to help fellow players out, may them be rookies, past rookies but still new or inexperienced, intermediate or even veteran, but on that I believe in the “tach a man to fish” thus I rather help with accomplishing something specific, something that will get them through an obstackle to help them grow and become self-sufficient rather than hand them a huge pile of ISK or stuff that they will waste in the end and can show nothing for it especially not learning how to get by on their own in EVE even with help from others.
I help people not because I feel they were wronged by the game and/or other player or because the game is unfair or they actually need it, I myself made my way from a simple Atron pilot, progressed through missions from L1 to L4, from frigates to cruisers and beyond and only received help once in the form of a Gnosis which was not useful to me because it was a free ship, it was useful as soon after there was an event in which I have extensively used the Gnosis which I’ve fitted up to earn billions of ISK by earning and selling Guardian’s Gala SKINS. The Gnosis was a very useful tool gifted by an ice miner I’ve met and allowed me to use that tool to earn billions. This is the type of help I prefer that helps people step up, a useful tool or aid that helps them accomplish or move forward in their progress.
So I write my guides, organize events and giveaways for my own and other people’s fun and benefit, which is just as natural as competing with them in the game, the two are not mutually exclusive, we are players in a game, like in an FPS sometimes we shoot each other sometimes we co-op sometimes just help out with advice or just chitchat, nothing should be personal nor a moral thing, even helping, it is just a natural thing in my book and don’t think much about it, my goal is accomplished if the recipient is satisfied and feels welcome i EVE, hopefully he learn the difference between RL and fiction in a virtual environment in the process.
Btw you can see some of my journey in the form of my screenshot library, though it is not thorough nor contain everything it showcases some of the key moments, some are pretty miniscule yet still part of the greater whole some are more prominent:
Be nice to @Uriel_the_Flame - he’s like me. He doesn’t like being kind but can’t help himself.
I think the thing about Eve that makes for a difference in how players treat each other is that losses are losses. In many games you die and keep all the kit you were carrying. There’s no cost to dying. It’s a laugh.
In Eve there is a loss - that generates a different feeling. It also generates empathy for those who have had a loss (unless you’re a psychopath). And that makes for a connection and a wish to help.
Yes - someone may kill you in game, and it’s not uncommon for an old player to look at a new player he’s just killed, reach out and show them some compassion.
Why do I help new players?
New Eden is a harsh place, and I can’t but help because at the end of the day you’re human.
Btw speaking of ganks, here’s how I view it (with personal experience included) both sides of the situation:
It is just semantics, apparently
OK. Please elaborate on this one please So the situation is - I’m warping to a WH exit “in panic”, there I get scrambled and before anything else I could do, my ship swallowed two missiles and became a firework display. Before I finished a sentence to my “teacher” in local chat, my pod got boomed as well.
So the only lesson I took was not to use augmentations anymore because it was painful to loose those hard-earned things from just finished story arc - they were, unfortunately, the main prizes.
What other lessons I should have taken?
That’s so beautiful! I have an idea - you could even create your own educational story arcs.
Though you already doing something similar - the competitions are like little quests
That’s a superb idea, thanks! I am still figuring out to what good use to put donated to me Gnosis
That’s also a very great idea - I should link my EVE account to Steam somehow and do such a little picture blog too. Besides, I like EVE’s store on Steam better than the original one - more options, better prices
Thank you very much! The EVE denizens make EVE special, not its ships
I figured that - he is much nicer person than he tries to portray himself
No other developers would dare to make such game mechanics anymore. The EVE launched two decades ago, before that it took them probably at least 5 years to make it. It was still the era of ‘one-life games’ (once you loose, you start from scratch), though EVE is not that harsh
It proves I’m not a psychopath too Sometimes it’s quite tempting to take down a little helpless ship but then I think of myself and do nothing but wish him luck
(BTW, there is a very interesting BBC CrowdScience podcast episode called ’ Am I a psychopath?’ which researches this social behavior from unexpected angles)
So beautifully said! Exactly that - because we are human. Regardless the circumstances, the most important thing is to remain human because otherwise your physical survival is worthless (a lesson from my childhood).
But @Uriel_the_Flame is right - the EVE is a good simulation for that
I remember that Crowd Science episode - the researcher that found an undiagnosed psychopath in his reference set of brain images.
You’ll like the most recent one on “can we grow a brain?” - the answer is not where I expected it to go.
Eve is unique. And what makes it unique is not to everyone’s taste - people aren’t used to the emotional impact a loss in a game can have: you’ll see that by some of the raging and whining in the forums.
Those that realise the impact this “game” can, a drug like no other - the highs, the lows and the friendships with total strangers. Those are the ones that will stay and learn to love living in New Eden.
There are a thousand stories. A thousand images.
I remember a group of Minmatar on the Amarr undock, picking off war targets as they undocked. We were heading back from an event as a fleet of Amarrian battleships and heard of what was happening.
Being part of a fleet like that, in formation, warping to hot drop as the golden fist of an angry and vengeful god.
I can imagine what they thought as we landed on grid. That’s a good memory.
It was a short massacre.
I’m rambling now.
See you already learned implants are a risk to have so will think about if they are financially viable to use and if so when. You also could learn that warping to a WH or basically anywhere at zero might get you killed, scouting might saved you in such a situation, no guarantee though. Am no wh expert tbh so I let others provide the legitimate lessons you could learn from that situation.
But important to note sometimes you can not survive and you just have to calculate it as an operating cost and adjust your ship costs accordingly. When I go to steal stuff I use expendable cheap ships and sometimes lose them and it is no problem to replace them.
Alwayss remember the golden rule I often quote myself: “Never fly anything you can’t afford to lose or replace.” My guide even explains this in much detail.
Not sure if entirely the same but I recall CCP talking about planning to make it possible to do daily quest kind of things for your friends, corpmates and whatever, though I think nothing came out of that concept unfortunately… unless the daily challenges were inspired by that.
I even have a Gnosis fitting guide which is entirely based on my personal experience with the ship, though as always it is just one (actually several) recommended fitting BUT not a be-all-end-all so consider your personal preferences, situation, intended use and so on when fitting and using it.
I personally used it for hi-sec ratting and completing event sites, though the sites nowadays are much harsher than they were back then so might not be the best choice for event sites that scram you. You can read in the fitting guide what I was specifically using it for and unless something changed it should be able to handle those if you fly the ship well. Take caution and progress from smaller level missions to higher slowly to learn to fly your ship and what to expect from the enemies and use the linked resources where you can read about the missions and DED sites beforehand to be prepared and hopefully not lose your ship.
There are image gallery services that are also free or can just open a free wordpress blog or some other suitable solution no need to use Steam specifically. Though if you have an account you can even upload your screenshots as artwork so no need to link your accounts nor play EVE from Steam. I only had those in my first part of my career on Steam because I way playing from the Steam client but later migrated to the standalone, both have their benefits and disadvantages but in general the standalone client is preferable imo, only you can decide for sure tho.
Hope so I hate pompous people who do things for others just to serve their own ego, I want to avoid that as much as possible, hopefully with success.
Yes there is that aspect too even if just as a form of lore and roleplay. EVE is a dystopia without moral bounds (of course does not mean playing a pirate equals you would do such things in real-life, this is where being able to separate fiction from reality comes in) and EVE is indeed a good simulation of that. Here you can be a pirate or can be a knight of justice or whatever in between or beyond, the only reason you will do what you do is not because the game rules force you to, simply because you yourself decide to. This is why (and because everything has spent time and effort attached to) blowing something up has meaning and gifting someone something also has meaning, which the recipient will appreciate much more.
So the true value of EVE is you can do whatever you want without being limited by real-life morals and this is why every action in the game is meaningful.
You get it. Good.
EvE is like a mirror, you’ll see reflected what you show…but it is a Galadriel’s Mirror…it also shows us many things.
Yeaaa! I found a CrowdScience buddy! In Space! Unbelievable - so it’s even more amazing!
I haven’t listened to the Brain episode yet - it has been a maddening week. Thank you for the recommendation!
Really well pointed out. So it’s a piece of art - fifty-fifty of lovers and haters. But just as with every piece, those who love, they love it earnestly.
But it’s also a positive ‘drug’ - an intellectual one, a brain exercise. A ‘drug’ that allows to cross all boundaries - cultural, linguistic, geographical. A ‘drug’ that reveal who is who - some will remain honorable and kind persons regardless it being ‘just a pixel pew-pew’
That’s a beautiful story which is universal to all civilizations throughout millenniums. Maybe you should write this one and others down as short stories? Who knows, you might become the next Scifi star
Actually, it’s sooo true!
Funny thing is that the first time I played EVE, it was just a couple of years old. There was much more of ganking, and Concord was either absent or not effective, a primordial chaos. BUT never ever no one shot a capsule - it was considered like kicking an already badly injured man, very lowly. Besides, there is no gain in that. So I felt pretty secure having augmentations - until now
That’s why I am still not using my shiny new Gnosis but rather focusing on optimizing lower level ships. And for insurance - learning how to produce stuff myself (if worst comes to worst)
That would be epic - the community doing not only economics but also creating lore in-game
Actually, informally my friend asked me to do some stuff for him while he is away - I gladly accepted as I take that as personal quests
MEH
This is the first thing I read on your corp’s blog!! Thank you very much once again!
I am usually advised not to go there without at least a BS Dunno, maybe a well-optimized BZ still could do that
Yesterday I checked the account linking possibilities so it’s a no-go. Curiously, EVE has has strongly separated its Steam, Epic, and direct account. The reason for that is that they run slightly different stores and promotions. (Now there are some discounted EVE options on Steam - can’t use them either).
Exactly that! These are those ‘semantics’ we were talking about. It’s not just a ‘pixel pew-pew’, it’s actually an alternative version of you when all rules removed. A social experiment, you could say? Hell yea, It IS a social experiment where (quote) “every action in the game is meaningful”
You still try to apply real-life morals to a vid’ya game (you don’t do that when you play chess, do you? hopefully not, same deal here) that’s where your thought process is wrong and can not be helped as long as you are stuck in that mindset.
If you travel to Amarr you’ll find a contact package waiting for you.
The ganker got ganked!!! LEL I celebrate events like this.
Well done, humble miners!!!
It might be that they set the task to have some revenge on the ganker So the story is continuing and it’s getting more intriguing