Scamming is about catching bad people doing bad things.
When you target legit gameplay into scamming you just damage whatever field.
Now the scammer will argue im sure that even trying to deliver to a player station is a scam obviously.
But that’s CCPs choice I suppose and with these mechanics they would have to agree with them.
Fair point. Once a contract is accepted you should be able to deliver, or don’t take any contracts that involves player owned stations. Maybe CCP should consider that an exploit!
We want to be able to deliver to player own stations, unfortunately nearly none of us take contracts to citadels except trade hubs that are well established because of it, it hurts people who want stuff delivered to them.
There’s a method some people use to do delivery contracts: double wrapping. What you do is, accept the contract on one toon, then contract it to another, and deliver the product with the alt. This is an easy way of getting around the lockout, because the scammer is only locking out the toon they know accepted the contract. They don’t know you’re doing a private contract to an alt, and they can’t see a private contract in your public contracts history. You know they’re only locking out that one toon because they still want other toons to have access so that they, too, can be tricked by the scam.
When your alt lands, complete the contract with your main, then go back to your main and complete the contract with the contractor remotely. Alternatively, fly the whole contract with your main, and if you find you’ve been locked out, then contract it to an alt and try accessing the station to drop it off. You don’t need to unpackage antyhing, it double-wraps the product when you put it on a second contract, which has the added benefit of making it unscannable.
The problem you’re having is you’re not thinking outside the box. You’re thinking about following the rules, and playing by them, rather than breaking them yourself. Everything here is working as intended. When citadels were first announced, this was a risk considered, and accepted, at the time. There is no problem here. This is EVE working entirely as intended.
They lock out every single person from the citadel, everyone it doesn’t matter. Double wrapping isn’t even a real tactic.
It is a real tactic that has been used ever since I started playing. And don’t tell me they lock everyone out, because while I may not be a scammer, I do know them. And they are laughing their butts off at this thread.
There is no way you had the time to read my entire post before replying to it, either. You are too quick to reject suggestions and ideas of others, so I recommend you drop this dogmatic attachment you have to making CCP fix your problems, and find a way to fix them for yourself.
Remiel, they lock everyone out of the citadel until your courier contract expires. They do it in 5 seconds. I did indeed read everything you wrote, sorry, but you’re seriously in error here.
If you think you can manage a scam contract I’ll give you one to complete and see how that works out for you.
Dogmatic attachment to CCP fixing my problems? It was a problem when they launched citadels that they didn’t consider. This is a problem, as I’ve mentioned a few times above.
You literally have no idea what you’re talking about here, and your insult in the second post while passive, was uncessary.
CCP does indeed need to fix this, there is NO WAY around being scammed after taking a contract to a station that is open at the time, and than closes it’s doors to everyone.
Except that they did consider it (it was discussed, I was there for the discussion) and they accepted it as a risk. The fact is, none of this risk isn’t made 100% clear to you on the contract, which includes the name of the destination station, which you can look up directly, and the fact that the ‘station may not be accessible’ when you get there.
CCP doesn’t need to fix this, because nothing is broken. You can avoid being scammed by not taking the contract. Problem solved.
If you feel insulted by anything I’ve said, I would suggest that’s a personal problem. Intent and context matter, and nothing I’ve posted has been insulting, in context or intent. Additionally, “I’m insulted” is not an argument, whether insult is there or not.
Well if that happened to me then out comes the ingame wallet and goodbye station.
Except it wasn’t discussed prior to the launch of the citadels, because it was a discussion after the citadels launched, and their temporary measure was to put “This station may not be accessible” while they worked on a more permanent solution. I was personally here, and I personally discussed he matter.
CCP does indeed need to fix this, because it has been there intention to, it’s just not getting done and because nothing has been said about it on a year, I wanted to bring it up again to gauge the communities response and to discuss it.
This notion that you can simply avoid it, is a perfect example of a strawman argument. You could apply a possible defect, abuse or bug in place of courier contracts and this discussion and repeat that on nearly everything. It’s not a justification for not fixing the issue at hand.
That issue, is that you can accept a courier contract to an open citadel etc, and be locked out after accepting it, thus making a contract impossible to complete. There is nothing else like this in the entire universe of eve online.
I didn’t say I was insulted, I said your passive aggressive attitude wasn’t necessary.
It’s entirely non-existent as well, and now you’re insulting me by taking my attempt to have a discussion with you and poisoning the well with accusations of ‘attitude’. If that’s how you’re going to be, then there’s no point having a discussion with you, and I’ll simply dismiss your idea out of hand, since you’re dismissing my counters with disingenuous personal problems.
The fact you can avoid it is not a strawman. It’s a fact. A really simple one and easy one to grasp. So at this point, I’m done here, and I am dismissing your issues as personal problems that are easily avoided. Whether or not CCP does something about this ‘problem’ is up to CCP, so we’ll see. I don’t care one way or the other, but others will, and the effects of any change won’t be limited to whether or not you can deliver your contracts, as is true with any change in EVE.
So I suggest you look more closely at what else can be affected, because that’s what CCP will be doing before they make any changes, to make sure they don’t break things, like the core nature of EVE itself, which is PVP, danger, and risk around every corner.
On a final thought: just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn’t mean they’re your enemy, but treating them as one will make them one. Keep that in mind if you want to convince people of your positions, because you’ve utterly failed to do anything but convince me you’re weak-minded, weak-spirited, and wrong.
This looks more and more like unfinished content related to player owned structures.
I really wish they would finish that stuff.
You’re done here, because you asserted there was a way around it, and there isn’t. 1st fail, then you said you were here when you weren’t the timeline didn’t match up 2nd fail.
You’re just full of fails, see ya later failure.
Then I tell you, it’s easier/faster to lock everybody out than to lock one specific person.
So maybe your imaginary friends do it this way, but 1. it’s definitely not clever and 2. if your friends start using their brain they won’t keep doing it.
You are just completely wrong about this.
You don’t understand the issue, and you actually don’t want to accept there is an issue.
Again, you are just a bad troll.
You did not? We must have missed that because at the moment anything from 60-80% of courier contracts with a reasonable reward (more than 20M ISK) and a reasonable size (less than 349,000 m³) are citadel access denial scams. The remaining contracts are exclusively from citadels or to NPC stations. That pretty much says “Do not play a part of the game that we introduced so that you use it”.
Right now, with the above settings I have
Just saying.
But overall it is a spectacular assault by null sec on high sec, orchestrated by CSM: They encouraged and forced CCP to introduce structures in high sec and introduce the main feature of null sec to high sec that made hauling to null sec such a massive success story: access rights management. With this feature alone, hauling to null sec was a spectacular success in the past for anybody outside the blues.
Then you have no idea and are a perfect victim for these scams as these people look for clueless people to make their scams work. And in the process, they ruin the experience for all others because you cannot rely on a citadel because of that.
Although you are right, these people definitely laugh their bottoms of over this thread because they know that CCP will never do something about it and they can keep PLEXing their accounts more passively than in a VNI or a botting Hel, with a lot less risk as well.
What is the real issue here?
-a visual pollution issue in the contract window? --> ask for an “Exclude private properties” filter
-a trust issue with citadel owners? --> trust? what is that?
Pretty sure i remember someone telling me CCP was working on some deposit mechanic on citadels involved in contracts. No need to dock but you will be able to warp there and dump the cargo.
Indeed it does, but all it really means is that the combination of Citadels and courier contracts just isn’t reliable. Public courier contracts, acceptable by anyone, and Citadels simply don’t work out.
But there are similar issues with other professions. Market orders can last for up to 3 months, industry jobs take time to run, etc. and all while the access can be turned off instantly without any warning or a transition period for players to finish their business gracefully. It certainly does give the owner of a structure quite some leverage and makes all business unreliable.
You simply got to trust the owners or don’t do business with them, which ultimately means that you cannot do business at structures in the same way as one can do at NPC stations. If this was another game then you’d say “stop having trust issues”, but in EVE is this a good thing and a grace period would be nice to have.
Exactly, citadels are not NPC stations. You want to do business around those, you need to work your relations with the owners. I don’t do research, industry or trading if the owner don’t have a mailing list and a chan to exchange with his customers. You need to lose a couple of above 1B clones due to owners to understand what citadels are. I don’t see why it should be different for hauling contracts.