Or they make the contract to an NPC structure.
Which incidentally means the feature “public hauling contract to citadels” is broken.
And just saying, I would really appreciate to not have to give docking rights to someone I don’t know. Making your structure private means you actually can’t make public contract to this structure.
Then you perception of the topics is rather lopsided. I consider myself a rather experienced courier contract runner and Petri has a rather successful contract history so far as well. You do not hear shrill voices from contract takers, you only hear screaking from those who rely on the scams as lazy income source.
The only reward of the Access Denial feature for the more competent is that they have fewer business opportunities available to them because they blocked all the bad contract issuers. Great deal for them. 74% scam ratio at this moment in time offers really nice rewards for those who avoid them.
That’s your opinion. I do not think the current way citadels work with couriers is anything but interesting because most of the active structures (active as in used for business/contracts. Active ignores all the dead abandoned structures) are scams and there’s no variation in this.
So, all the legit business revolves around NPC stations. A contract window filter should do the trick.
Indeed. You should always be able to control who and what docks at your private station. That is what is at the root of this so-called scam.
Allowing someone to deliver, but not dock is an obvious solution to get around this absolute rights of the station owner. I am not against implementing a dropbox but I also think you shouldn’t be able to issue a courier contract to a station you don’t have docking access to. You should be able to issue one to the the general public though when you have private docking rights, and have them deliver it to your dropbox without giving out docking rights.
It’s simple, makes courier contracts significantly safer, although I can still imagine scams that could be used with more difficulty so I am fine with it. But there is no need to declare the game broken or whatever because the risk window skews more one way than the other right now. Players lived without contracts to POSes at all for years and with courier scams to private structures for years. They will live for a few more months until the dropbox appears.
It does not. Or since when is ignoring an entire branch of gameplay a solution to a problem?
What entire branch of gameplay? Could be if there were HS systems farther than 6 or 7 jumps away from any NPC station, that would cause real logistic issues, but that’s not the case.
Before the introduction of the extremely easy, lazy-mode citadel scams, courier contracts were used to farm freighters and DST with high-collateral, worthless content packages. Couriers have always been used for destruction of ships, not lazy mode ISK farming.
The branch of structure usage that CCP is hellbent on forcing onto players despite a mountain of detrimental effects on EVE.
I think you don’t get it.
It’s not broken because of risk.
It’s broken it’s the feature is not usable.
The private courrier to citadel is good.
the public one however is not usable.
this is an issue for two reasons :
“Don’t try to use public courier contracts to Citadels, instead only try to realize the truth…they are of no use. Then you’ll see that it is not the Citadels that suck, it is only yourself.”
We are talking about docking in a citadel instead of a NPC station. If you call that gameplay… The other problems are not the subject.
It’s not broken at all.
It does what it says it does and people use it to move things to and from structures on a trusted list as described above regularly. It just happens to be quite risky to do so to a random citadel when the owner has the power to lock you out, which limits the utility of the mechanic to haul to places you don’t trust or haven’t proven themselves trustworthy.
Fine, that is a limitation. I am for CCP’s proposed addition to the mechanic to remove this power from the station owner via a dropbox and make the contract system more trustworthy so more people on both sides can use it. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work or that people aren’t using it. Just use it in situation where you are not exposing yourself to undue risk, or not use it at all.
The dropbox isn’t going to make the scam contracts suddenly real. It will just remove most of them from the game. The existing game play works, and it is trivial to not get scammed if you lack the courage, intelligence or patience to sift through the scams - don’t haul to private structures. And that just makes it more profitable for the braver and smarter haulers who do make arrangements to do the legitimate hauling work for these private structures.
Eve is a game about trust. Figuring out who and when you can trust someone is an important part of getting ahead in this game.
I think this is to protect from thefts. If someone is found as malicious then you would love to prevent him from docking immediately.
I agree that it’s not an easy task but we have citadels for how long? 1 year? Or more?
Anyone here rightfully arguing for self responsibility ignores the fact that these people have none. Just keep shooting them, it’s the only solution.
Hahahahaha.
Thats like saying “Hey, doc, its not for me, im asking for a friend, but… can you prescribe me, uhh, him, some viagra?”
Yes, you can. Its just that unless you know the hauler, not many people will touch the contract.
The fact that people fall for this scam, means that they also complete it when its a legitimate courier contract to a citadel.
Its no different from courier contracts to nullsec. Alliances can revoke access with a click of a button, and the warning has always been “This station may not be accessible to you”.
Thats not true, though.
There are times when the contract is legit, and the person is able to dock and complete the contract. This would make your statement, blatantly, factually false.
The problem with this is, that its a learning experience, just like everything else in EVE. You have to look at the warnings. And it does warn you. It tells you to be careful. That this station may not be accessible.
its your own fault.
Then it becomes a PRIVATE contract.
From nullsec ? you mean SOV NS .
Because the NPC stations in NS don’t have those issues.
unless of course you mean that this problem is also present in null. In that case, how does it make it not a problem ?
It’s my fault if nobody wants to take my contract for 7 jumps in HS unless I go to a station ?
You are a complete retard.
And HERE you are talking about PRIVATE contract, not public ones.
I am talking about public contract, those that are available to anyone to perform.
So according to you, the balance has never been broken in the game, as long as the modules did what they said they did.
ftfy.
Again, people fall for this scam, which means people also complete legitimate, PUBLIC contracts.
Your argument fails.
Yes, most of nullsec is sov NS. Bravo, youve just decoded what i was talking about.
Its been like this since the introduction of courier contracts and conquerable stations.
Was it a problem back then, before citadels were introduced?
No.
Because everyone who was smart enough to realize what the warning message, in red, meant, didnt touch it.
Im talking about accepting couriers to private citadels. If you do, you take the risk, and if they reject docking rights, its your fault for taking the risk and failing the contract.
I thought that was obvious, since, you know, i was talking about that very thing, in the paragraph right above it.
No. Go away.