Hey, I wasn’t knocking the ship fit you posted. And I said I also fly ships that are strictly T2 fit as well as a mix of T2 and Faction / Deadspace mods…
Not the most efficient way? Sorry if my play style and ship fitting doesn’t hold up to your views on how it should be done.
For over 16 years I’ve been a cloaker explorer / mission runner in this game. I go into a lot of different area’s of space with most of my ships fit with bling. During all that time I’ve probably lost about 1/2 dozen ships..
Obviously what works for my game play might not work for others… But since it does work for me, I’ll just continue to fit my ships as much as possible with mods that give max bonus to ship stats, disregarding the ISK value of the drop if it happens to get destroyed..
If you’re playing in a part of space where you pretty much never lose ships the cost of your ship doesn’t really matter.
However, if you’re in a part of space where every so often you do lose ships, you should care about efficient ship fits so you get better fits for your ISK.
The concern for me is the up to 500k of loot drop, with 250k ISK average drop. Even with fleet boosts creating 200k EHP this can be ganked by 14 T2 Cats in 0.6 sec (=210m ISK cost) or 11 T2 Cats in 0.5 sec (=165m ISK cost). ie Even with 200k EHP, it is probably profitable for gankers to gank you in 0.5 sec or 0.6 sec. And if you don’t have fleet boosts it will likely be a profitable gank in 0.7 sec.
And your mining yield is appalling with this fit. Is it less than 10m ISK/hour? ie the risk/reward is definitely sub optimal.
This is not to moan, more to make you think that there is more to gank protection than increasing EHP by blinging the fit. You will make more ISK overall by removing the bling (so not being a target), adding maybe 2 mining upgrade modules, monitoring local (mark known gankers) and accepting the occasional loss, which for a Skiff will still be rare.
Increasing my EHP was more just to learn about EHP and shield tanking than it was about gank protection. I don’t care about being ganked.
I don’t mine for ISK. It doesn’t matter how good your fit is- if you mine solo without an alt piloting an Orca, you’re not making a profit- and even if I was using an Hulk with an Orca with a 300,000 EHP fit, I still wouldn’t be making a profit because that would be several billion in ISK just to make that work. A Hulk / Orca with compressor, drones, and a proper fit for each will easily be 3 billion in ISK just to bring in a good haul from ice fields. I’d have to quit my job and mine ice every waking moment for weeks to pay that off. In addition, the skills that would take would require a year to learn- or several injectors at a cost of near 1 billion ISK each. Again- no profit.
That’s what I don’t understand. “You can’t tank a skiff because a ganker may attack you and make a few million ISK.”
Let them. Let the suicide cult do just that. I see the big picture here. I’d rather not make money than spend the abhorrent amount of ISK required to do it right. A year’s worth of skill injectors plus 3 billion in ships and modules just to mine ice vs. spending 1 billion on a tanked skiff (plus 5 months of skill injectors) to also not make any profit. Hmm… tough choice… I’ll take the skiff.
And with the skiff, I get to keep my job and not mine every single waking moment. I already know I won’t make a profit.
Edit: I don’t have a lot of free time. I get, at most, a few hours every other day to play. You can’t mine and make money with a schedule like mine. So that’s why I shield tanked. I’m always trying to learn while I’m shooting lasers at rocks. I study my skills, I read the forums, I look up fit suggestions, and I practice my fits. I have so much more to learn so thank you for the advice!
If you don’t care for being ganked and have not that much free time, then why mine in a Skiff at all? Mine in a cheap, unrigged Covetor with just 2 Mining Lasers and 3 Mining Upgrades. You don’t need any tank at all. That ship will pay for itself in no time, doesn’t require many skills to learn and if you watch local at least halfway carefully you will be able to warp off before the catalysts are in your belt in 95% of all cases.
However, I don’t get why people want to spend their time in EVE with highsec mining, especially when they have not that much time available. It’s the worst-paying, least-entertaining activity one can do in this game. There are literally 1000s of games on the market offering overwhelmingly more fun/time than EVE highsec mining… without even costing a sub. And if it has to be EVE for whatever reasons, jeeez, anything else is better than HS-mining. Literally anything.
You do know that ingame simulations and PyFa exist? I mean, you are free to do whatever you like, I don’t want to tell you what to do with your time. I just can’t understand why people talk about profits and costs and ganking and tanking at one side, and at the other literally wasting their time and resources by doing activities that return a ridiculously low amount of ISK and are boring like hell.
I mean, I am not against mining, I do mine quite a bit myself from time to time. But thats just socializing, chatting with the corpmates, making plans, disussing fits or tactics and earning some hundred million ISK in the meantime. Of course not in HS… because I would probably uninstall EVE after an hour, asking my time why I spend time to be bored to death.
Simulating is fine, but it doesn’t really inspire skill training. I’ve been using my mining time to train my skills in shields, armor, and drones. My Skiff carries drones for combat, mining, and salvaging. Actually having those drones inspires me to train up the skills and do more than simply have the bare minimum of one rank in each. Thus, when I finally bought a Navy Issue Brutix to do combat missions, I already had the skills for T2 medium combat drones and T2 armor modules. I made the most of all that time shooting lasers at rocks. Sure, I could have wasted my entire time in Eve piloting a Venture and never paying for Omega, but that wasn’t my idea of fun.
I plan to do a lot in this game. I mine NOW. TODAY. But it’s not my future.
I agree with you that mining is already a bad start in the game.
I hate it, the gameplay is boring. I already noticed people falling asleep doing it. They should have gone to bed instead of starting a mining session.
That being said, if you can afford, place ventures in the several .5 systems that can have a anomaly, and travel in LS in a shuttle, you can have better ores.
(I’m capturing the options so that you know how to get that page)
That’s 5 time as much yield, unless you spend 20% of your time mining only it’s better than the usual HS ore AND it’s a lot more active since the anoms are small.
Try to get a porpoise in fleet to compress it And don’t forget to set your home station in a central hub, so that when you want to go somewhere you don’t have a venture, you can suicide and buy a venture (and move it through LS, it’s actually pretty safe).
Also you’ll need to bookmark the station in each system to find it more easily (locations, open system location window)
I don’t mind the game play. But I was finally getting bored with it. I’m doing combat missions now. It’s taking forever to get past L2 missions though. I do them as often as I can so that I can get to the more fun L3s! I’m piloting a Navy Issue Brutix.
And if I ever start to fall asleep at the helm while mining, I always log off and go to bed! Getting blown up like that is not the Blaze of Glory death I crave!
I added a gameplay that revolves around ventures, HS border anomalies, that I consider more interesting for mining, both in terms of isk and of activity.
I tested a little bit and it was more active and rewarding, more extensive tests may prove me wrong though
I was the porpoise and helping newbros understand the concept of optimisation
IIRC they made as much in 2 sites that they made using filaments to mine in NS in 2H (yeah, bistot sucks).
They were super cute when they proposed to give me a part of the ore seing as I helped them with boosts and compression <3
Train social skill to at least 3. That will increase your standings gain per mission. And the connections skill will modify your standings.
So you only need to be at 3.00 modified, so while you may have a base standing of 1.2, your modified standing may be 3.00 allowing you to do L3 missions
You can look for public mining fleets via fleet finder as well
Because of what happened two days ago- I survived a gank attempt from several T2 fit Catalysts. That alone made it worth it. All that effort paid off when I saw them get destroyed by Concord after ten seconds with my shields only down to 50%.
That was the only reason I bought a Skiff and it was worth it! Wrecks all around me from Catalysts and Mining Barges alike when I flew out there (I knew they were there- I went out to play with them) and my ship survived.
I know it’s not a guarantee. After all, nothing but death and taxes are. But, it still felt good.
And don’t forget to set your home station in a central hub, so that when you want to go somewhere you don’t have a venture, you can suicide and buy a venture (and move it through LS, it’s actually pretty safe).
