Both buffer and passive shield tanks use LSE. becaue LSE gives BOTH passive and buffer shield -.-
if the fit is PVE, then it’s 99% a passive shield fit, because buffer is useless in (most) PVE above “enough to not be alphaed”.
but that’s a completely wrong answer. he is talking about mid modules and you answer by a low module.
That’s a bunch of Bull.
That’s a bunch of truth in the context.
If you take that sentence out of context, then you are saying BS.
Here you removed the previous sentence that says “LSE” so yeah your dishonest modification of my post makes it say BS.
It’s not wrong, it’s an alternative to increasing resistance without using more Cap.
Shield regen being what it is, you increase the buffer to increase the window of your shields being in that sweet spot between 25-40% remaining for maximum regen and not having your tank broken. Plus since shield regen is based on a formula that involves maximum shield size it also contributes to your regen rate.
But nobody cares about resistance.
What he wants is more tank.
And more resistance than another module does NOT mean more tank .
and it’s NOT an alternative, you can’t use a low slot instead of a mid one !
Wow, you must really be high, increasing resists actually increases EHP’s which actually gives you more tank.
no, the DC for example increases the resists more than the other modules I gave but is actually worse tank-wise.
a set of em+thermal+kinetic shield rig increases the resistances (+35% for let’s say all) more than purgers but actually gives less tank (3purgers gives +137% tank, set of resist rigs give +54%)
Opportunity cost is the issue here. Your basic Hurricane only has 4 mid slots. 1 or 2 resist modules is all you can really place on a shield regen tank before you actually start reducing its effective EHP/s recovery rate.
Go back and read what he posted, he was thinking of removing one of the two Large Shield Extenders and replace it with another Invul Field mod so that blows your statement of wanting to set up a passive shield tank.
What ? LSE+ invul is standard for PASSIVE shield tank.
The question is in what ratio.
1 Adaptive, or 2 specific elemental Hardeners is basically what you “fit” for maximum return on a shield tank. The rest of it is as much regen you can get your hands on around the rest of your fitting requirements.
Its why I pointed out that armor fits are another option, because they enable using things like webs without horribly screwing with your tank. And because Canes have six lows making that a viable option.
Anyhow, advising people to put a DC on their PVE passive shield fit is just BAD. It’s the worse possible choice, it gives LESS rep and uses MORE CPU than the other choices
Just like advising them to put extenders instead of purgers. 3 T2 purgers gives 137% rep more, 3 T2 extenders gives 73% rep more.
using extenders instead of purgers is effectively removing 27% of your rep.
Passive shield tanking (often shortened to simply passive tanking ) is a method of tanking that relies on the ability of shields to recharge without the need for active modules. Instead, passive shield tanks rely on modules that increase the recharge rate, as well as the absolute amount of shield hit points a ship has.
Passive shield tanks are effective on ships built for kiting or long-range combat tactics, both of which keep shield damage relatively low.
that is wrong. You can make passive shield fits that are totally good in pve.
You just need to stop using the worse modules for that.
What the hell are you talking about? I never said anything about it not being good for PvE. Also I never advised putting extender rigs on it either.
This implies that passive shield are not able to tank a room in PVE.
The truth is, they are.
It’s just that passive shield fits need more modules than active shield fits ; on the other hand the passive EHP scales exponentially with the number of modules used, while active shield fits are limited by the stacking penalties.
a cane fit with T1 rigs can reach 110 HP/s passively, with 3gyros and a MWD (2 LSE, power diag, 2 power relay so that’s 9 tank modules) :
add a T1 shield command burst, and it’s 120 HP/s.
use T2 rigs and it’s 146 hp/s
use an invul and consider the resists : you reach 208 EHP/s vs EM (the worse resist) for 11 modules
on this T2 fit I have 224 EHP/s (not perfect skills). I would not advise it because thepurger T2 are expensive as twice the hull.
[Hurricane, *pve passive AC]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II
Shield Power Relay II
50MN Microwarpdrive II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
Shield Command Burst II
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Shield Extension Charge x600
Phased Plasma M x2160
On the T1 version I have 180 EHP/s
[Hurricane, *pve passive AC]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II
Shield Power Relay II
50MN Microwarpdrive II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
Shield Command Burst I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Shield Extension Charge x600
Phased Plasma M x2160
If I want to active shield tank for the same EHP/s (T1 fit) … I just can’t
[Hurricane, *pve passive AC]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II
50MN Microwarpdrive II
Medium Shield Booster II
Medium Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
Shield Command Burst I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Phased Plasma M x2160
Shield Extension Charge x300
Active Shielding Charge x300
[Hurricane, *pve passive AC]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Power Diagnostic System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
IFFA Compact Damage Control
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Large Shield Booster II
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
Shield Command Burst I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Phased Plasma M x2160
Active Shielding Charge x300
[Hurricane, *pve passive AC]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II
50MN Microwarpdrive II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Booster II
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
Shield Command Burst I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
Phased Plasma M x2160
Shield Extension Charge x300
Active Shielding Charge x300
[Hurricane, *pve passive AC]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II
50MN Microwarpdrive II
Medium Shield Booster II
Medium Shield Booster II
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
Shield Command Burst I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
Phased Plasma M x2160
Shield Extension Charge x300
Active Shielding Charge x300
You’re reading more into it than what I stated. I didn’t imply that at all.
If you don’t imply by this post that passive shield tanks are NOT effective outside of kitting or long-range combat tactics, then your post was useless.
Wrong.
[Hurricane, *pve passive AC copy]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Power Diagnostic System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Damage Control II
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
425mm Medium ‘Scout’ Autocannon I
425mm Medium ‘Scout’ Autocannon I
425mm Medium ‘Scout’ Autocannon I
Shield Command Burst II
425mm Medium ‘Scout’ Autocannon I
425mm Medium ‘Scout’ Autocannon I
425mm Medium ‘Scout’ Autocannon I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Phased Plasma M x2160
Shield Extension Charge x600
Active Shielding Charge x300
192 sustained ehp tank, 200.9 reinforced ehp tank and more with overheat if needed because active tank. Trying to prove that passive tank is a solid form of tanking is all well and fine but it has just as many if not more cons than active tanking and either way you are doing it on the wrong ship.
You are making this post about you instead of what it should be about and that is fitting help for the OP. Which brings me to my actual point.
The Hurricane doesn’t have a solid fit allotment for any shield tank to be effective for what it does. He should move to a Hurricane Fleet Issue like someone else suggested for the tracking speed if he is sold on using artillery anyway. If he wants to shield fit, the Cyclone is a much better option overall for just about every reason.
Otherwise I would suggest using autocannon’s instead of artillery and build resistences for the missions you are taking so you can brawl better. Medium Arty sucks. Period. Battleship sized arty is the only one really worth the time for most pve content because the DPS just isn’t there. That uses extreme range ammo and an MJD usually to keep range and blap things out of existence. You can keep beating yourself up trying to make an arty fit that works but honestly you’ll be much happier swapping to a cyclone with missiles (still has range and probably better damage) or an autocannon cane (more damage but less tank)
/end thoughts