Mission Running issues

[Tessa_Springfield]

Edit: removed direct communication with CCP GM, to stay within forum rules. GM, in response to my ticket asking for something that will never happen; changing agents to not force lowsec missions in highsec back to back to back to back to back, while I can only decline once every 4 hours, was to direct me to beg CSM for said change. I don’t hold high hopes, perhaps a little too cynical, but here I am.

So apparently GM’s and dev’s can’t or won’t do anything about these issues for the last 20+ years and i’m supposed to beg CSM to reprogram agents in this game to stop trying to force casual, distribution missions for being forced on players back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back. Each decline is either 4 hours of just not playing, doing something i don’t feel like doing, or taking 10x loss to standing vs gain from successful missions.

It is almost never just one time and then back to casual gameplay while I work on other things.

and ontop of that, apparently if i decline missions to go suicide into lowsec, to perma camped systems, i just cant do missions anymore, even after getting standing back over 5.

GM’s, as usual, dont care one bit about anything, dev’s apparently didnt program this and CSM did. So, upon direction to come beg CSM to do something about it, here I am. This has been an issue for over 20 years, I know I am not the only one frustrated with this. Yet, nothing has ever, or will ever be done about it.

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

thats a distribution agent…. giving you distribution missions… wtf is wrong with that?? do you want her to give you security missions?

[Tessa_Springfield]

what?

I want agents to stop giving the same lowsec missions back to back to back to back. If the standing loss is 10x what you gain from successfully completing missions, and there is a 4 hour time limit between declining, then the agent should not be trying to force the same declined lowsec missions repeatedly in the same timeframe we’re not allowed to decline without significant losses.

Not a whole lot of people have the time or inclination to sit around for 4 hours waiting to be able to do more missions, or having to go 20+ jumps to a different agent of the same level, just to be in the same boat of repeatedly “offering” lowsec missions that are nothing but suicide. Many of the lowsec systems for missions are camped, nearly guaranteeing that you cant complete the mission anyway. Resulting in nothing but loss.

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

@Tessa_Springfield

stop trying to force casual, distribution missions for being forced on players back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back

you complained about distribution missions, thats a distribution agent… distribution L4’s have a set distance they use… rule of thumb if you’re getting too many instances of having to go to lowsec, MOVE… and there aren’t a wide variety of distribution missions to choose from anyway.

according to eve uni, there are only 25 distribution missions..

[Tessa_Springfield]

@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras

there aren’t a wide variety of distribution missions to choose from

@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras

MOVE

you kind of made the point yourself. Thanks.

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

best thing to do, to keep from going to lowsec, is to be at least 6-8 jumps away from a lowsec gate.

[Tessa_Springfield]

my issue, that you apparently arent even trying to understand, is the back to back to back to back lowsec missions, with the only options being

A. Do them and most likely die so you cant actually do them anyway.

B. Find a different agent, which, btw is not possible in relation to this specific situation.

C. Stop playing for 4 hours.

D. take 10x standings loss vs the gain from doing missions.

That, by the way, also has absolutely no bearing to the issue I mention, where I regained standing but am unable to do anymore missions that I am supposedly able to do.

Notice the standing of 5 and being told I don’t have enough standing to get missions.

I am not frustrated with players, and I do not want to argue with anyone over the issue I am experiencing. I tried to hand these issues to a support ticket, and the GM said to ask CSM. That is why I am here, replying when I really shouldn’t be. This issue should be handled by CCP, and not eve forums, as absolutely nobody on these forums can change anything in game.

@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras

according to eve uni, there are only 25 distribution missions

I get the same missions, as mentioned, but sometimes they are the same highsec missions i’m doing, but go to lowsec instead. Then, it’s back to back, to back, to back. It is hardly ever 1 and then move onto the casual play with extremely low rewards. It is 10x standing loss, followed by 10x standing losse, followed by 10x standing loss, and sometimes a few more 10x standing loss before I finally get back to a mission I am willing to do. Several characters, due to these shenanigangs, have went from 10 standing to less than 6, with 3 of them going from 10 to less than 5, in a single sitting. All of which, GM’s can see to verify, but instead tell me to come ask CSM to fix.

[Tessa_Springfield]

This is on Tessa, if not for storyline missions, tessa would probably be under 5 also.

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

YoungPuke2 has been on a “standings fix”… They are partly responsible for FW no longer giving negative standings.. so to say CSM can’t help is misleading to say the least.. oh wait you didn’t say that you said “absolutely nobody on these forums can change anything in game”

join the discord, talk to the CSM’s there… Your solution as I mentioned, is to go at least 6-8 jumps AWAY from lowsec.. then you won’t go there… but no you refuse to because you HAVE TO mission for soe apparently.. well thats the mechanics of L4 distribution missions to go even up to 12 jumps away, but most are 6-8.

as someone who works for the USIA, and had people grind distribution, solely for the storylines, thats one of the first things we tell people either do L3’s or make sure that L4’s are nowhere near Lowsec gates.

[DeMichael_Crimson]

To gain quick ‘Standings’, run Level 3 Distribution missions… You can usually run two Level 3 Agents at the same time… Best scenario is to find Agents located in dead-end systems far away from Low Sec systems… Hopefully you can set up one Agent in the dead-end system with the other Agent located half a dozen jumps out and go back and forth between them…

As for gaining LP’s, running two Level 3 Agent Distribution missions simultaneously should pretty much equal running one Level 4 Agent Distribution mission…

Lastly, best to remove the GM’s actual reply from your post and just post a brief summary of it…

[Tessa_Springfield]

@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras

YoungPuke2 has been on a “standings fix”… They are partly responsible for FW no longer giving negative standings.. so to say CSM can’t help is misleading to say the least.. oh wait you didn’t say that you said “absolutely nobody on these forums can change anything in game”

join the discord, talk to the CSM’s there

does that actually work? I’m not too keen on the doings of others as i’ve only recently come back. From my perspective, a whole lot of threads about this and that are made, and the issues remain for years and years and years.

[Tessa_Springfield]

@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras

Your solution as I mentioned, is to go at least 6-8 jumps AWAY from lowsec

I am already at such distance. Thus, there is nothing I can do in regards to following your advice. There is only 1 highsec distro for soe, as shown above. 6 jumps from lowsec, so within the parameters you suggest.

[Tessa_Springfield]

@DeMichael_Crimson

Lastly, best to remove the GM’s actual reply from your post and just post a brief summary of it…

wouldn’t i just be called a liar again if i did that? Last time I had relevant information to the topic, i was flamed as a liar and even 3rd party websites dedicated to calling me names. Yes, i’m looking at you aiko.

is it.. against the rules to post the generic responses from gm’s?

[Tessa_Springfield]

@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras

you HAVE TO mission for soe apparently

do you know of another method to gain the lp for odysseus bpc and soe chips outside of doing soe missions? distro because i have other things to do alongside, irl. We all have our reasons for playing whatever aspect of this game we play, so i’m not actually sure why that particular point was made.

[DeMichael_Crimson]

@Tessa_Springfield

is it.. against the rules to post the generic responses from gm’s?

Well, according to the forum rules:

https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/8563133115932-Forum-Moderation-Policy

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That’s why I suggested you post a brief summary of it…

[Tessa_Springfield]

Thank you, I didnt realize. <3

[Dark_Lord_Trump]

I find it difficult to believe that going into lowsec is guaranteed death. IIRC l4 distribution missions are supposed to send you to a neighboring constellation. There aren’t that many lowsec systems in neighboring constellations, and there doesn’t seem to be a lot of capsuleer violence in those systems. Can you not just use a blockade runner?

The agent not giving you missions is probably because either your faction, corp, or personal standing is below -2.0. Personal is a pain to fix because you need to get someone else to help since the only way to raise it is to do missions for the agent, who won’t give you missions anymore.

[Tessa_Springfield]

Is it guaranteed death; No. Is it a risk, Yes. The rewards for these missions simply do not cover said risk, which makes them undesireable. On top of that, There is only 1 highsec soe distribution agent, as shown above. Closest lowsec is 6 jumps, I do not intend to lose isk and reputation for minimal rewards that I simply would not get anyway due to the failue caused by being killed. I am in highsec, doing highsec missions.

However, that is only part of the issue, a very small part. The main issue is repeating the lowsec missions 3,4,5,6,7+ times in a row. I am only allowed to decline once every 4 hours, or i take 10x loss to standing than I gain from any mission other than storyline. This is not a good system. It has never been a good system. This system can be changed, by game developers. Not by CSM. Unfortunately for me, the GM that responded to my ticket about the repeated lowsec missions, told me to come to the forums and ask CSM to change this terrible system. I do not know why. I do not know what CSM is supposed to be able to do about it. I will likely never know, as no CSM has responded to this thread. At least that I am aware of. I dont even know who is on CSM currently, and I’m not going to look it up, as CSM has no bearing in my gameplay. I have far more important things going on, which in part is why I wont accept lowsec missions. This is the lowest paying career in eve, I should be able to participate in it without npc’s essentially forcing me to go to lowsec, with the consequence of not doing so being repeated massive standings losses.

I have also provided relevant screenshots showing reputation with said agent, above.

I am not trying to come off as aggressive or whiney, to me this is a valid concern. Have people really just stopped playing for 4 hours, then 8 hours, then 12, then 16 hours and on, as these missions come back to back, and are rarely one and done. I do not see the benefit to this. If a player wants to engage a different activity in eve online, they will.

I have gotten helpful information or advice from people, and while I appreciate this it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I am to downgrade mission levels, further reducing said rewards while doubling the time, in order for this system to not continuously punish me for participating in this particular career. Doesn’t seem quite right, to me.

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

go to the discord and chat with the CSMS there…
CCP doesn’t dictate where the CSM chat with the other players.. The only thing CCP dictates is that they do interact
and 2. post advertisements for CSM stuff on the forums… other than that.. theres the EVE discord, and I think they have their own discord as well.. you can also probably reach them on reddit. also helps to know which CSM you want to bring this to…