If you have any proof to the contrary then post it.
Otherwise just sod off.
Iâll say that the mechanics that DeMichael described are reflective of the conventional wisdom that has been quoted for years in the forums. I canât find a definitive source for it other than a vague reference to some unknown podcast in which a dev supposedly said it, but I also canât find a reference to some other formula. Andersonâs post is the first time Iâve seen it disputed. Just because itâs conventional wisdom doesnât mean that itâs actually the correct answer, but itâs not some crazy theory thatâs being floated for the first time.
It would be an interesting exercise to actually plot the mission rewards from various truesec systems and calculate the underlying formula. I think it could even be done on SiSi. Maybe somebodyâs done that already, but I canât find a reference to it.
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I did it, on sisi to have an idea, then on tq on mining, burners, standard L4 missions, both in HS and NS. I have a model that is 99% accurate for what it models. I still need to refine the model though.
Just, I did not publish my result. I however can say that people like DMC are annoyingly wrong and participate in the propagation of false things. He just affirm something random and tell people that they have to prove that it is not correct - but nope, itâs HIS claim so HE must prove what he affirm. What HE is doing is claiming false things so other people will make the effort this jackass is not willing to provide.
Just like what he was affirming about faction standing share was wrong, which had already been worked out, tested, and acknowledged by CCP, and he already had been corrected but instead of making the effort to find out by himself he instead kept affirming things he had no idea - just as this, what he affirmed here is false, has been tested, and proven wrong, and I already corrected him on this point. But he keeps affirming false things without any proof of what he affirms and even when people told him he was wrong.
Next time he will call me a cheater again.
Now you know what ? ITâs this guy that makes me not want to share what I found out. Because typically he is the one spreading false information and expecting efforts from other people.
On the other threads I participate ( eg mining missions) I do give the numbers I find out, the agents that are interesting, the fits I thought of, because people are sharing. This guy is just trolling.
Now if HE wants to believe that his formula is the correct one, then I donât care. However to other people reading him, I say : this guy has no clue what he is talking about, if you trust him blindly you gonna be wronged.
According to the Uniwiki
LP reward = (1.6288 - System security) Ă Base LP
So according to this formula, in a 1.0 true sec system youâd be getting 62.88% of base LP, which actually puts the base somewhere around .6 or something.
Iâm no math genius, someone help me interpret this. Iâm not smart enough.
Edit: So it would look something more like this (correct my if Iâm wrong):
1.0 = 62.88%
0.9 = 72.88%
0.8 = 82.88%
0.7 = 92.88%
0.6 = 102.88%
0.5 = 112.88%
0.4 = 122.88%
0.3 = 132.88%
0.2 = 142.88%
0.1 = 152.88%
0.0 = 162.88%
I have no idea why they did it this way, or if itâs even correct, not that it really even matters.
itâs correct.
0.5 mult / 1.0 mult = 113/63 = 1.79
so +79% by going from 1.0 to 0.5âŚ
which means that the âbaseline gainâ if you WANT to use that word is for a .63 truesec system, not a 1.0 (I use .63 in my formula)
Wouldnât it be 113 - 63 = 50%
no it would not.
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That may be the formula for LPâs but it certainly doesnât apply to mission reward payments.
Since Anderson canât provide any official literature or a simple formula to back up his claim, I wonât accept anything that uncouth primadonna has to say, especially when he claims that everybody else for the past 15 yrs is wrong and he is right. You can believe him if you want.
As for sharing Faction Standing from epic arcs, when first implemented it wasnât possible. Then with the âAgents Made Easyâ expansion there was supposedly a bug that allowed Epic Arc Faction Standing increase to be shared. After that for the longest time no Faction Standing increase from the epic arcs was given, players had to submit a petition to receive it and if in a fleet, the Faction Standing increase wasnât shared. Eventually there was a statement made in Patch Notes that the bug had been fixed. Obviously CCP couldnât fix it and without making an official statement about it, just started allowing it to be shared. I recently sent in a Support Ticket and asked about it and according to CCP, they will allow it as long as it isnât abused.
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And you were calling me, who told you were wrong, a cheater.
Thatâs how low you are.
No, I claim YOU have became arrogant and spreading misinformations.
age is not the same thing as knowledge.
YikesâŚ
@Anderson_Geten So I had to watch a video to comprehend it. Like I said Iâm not great at math. It seems like what I found was the percentage point change and what you found was the percentage change. Absolute vs relative change. So⌠I wasnât wrong. Thereâs just two different ways of looking at it.
Indeed, you misused percentage and points.
If you talk about the evolution of a percentage, itâs âpointâ .
A percentage increase/decrease is just a multiplier applied to a base value. However, sequential percentage modifications are applied MULTIPLICATIVE way, ie +100% then +100% is actually an increase by +300%
On the other hand, points modifications are applied in a ADDITIONAL way, so you ned to use the correct one otherwise you are using the wrong terms.
So yes, you were wrong. If you donât understand this, take the time to read the wiki page I linked again, itâs very concise and precise.
short reminder : if you change a value, expressed with the same base , then it is a point increase. eg if I go from 70% applied DPS to 50% itâs a decrease of 20 points of applied DPS.
now if you change the value, and express the new value only based on previous value, then itâs a percentage increase : if I go from 70% DPS to 50% DPS, I lose 20/70 = 28.6% applied DPS.
If you misuse percentages and points, itâs the same as saying âmicesâ and âelephantsâ are the same because they are the same animals. Obviously people at the airport wonât agree with you.
I believe I was incorrect. âWrongâ goes a bit far.
Not correct or true; incorrect.
âthat is the wrong answerâ
Is your goal to make people not like you?
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you were wrong. Now if you canât accept that itâs not my issue.
The funny part is, you accept you donât understand mathematics. So why canât you accept you were wrong ?
Whatever, I feel like Iâm losing my time here.
Go outside?
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