When you make an brand new alpha account, it auto connects to the launcher. You can make a new character and log in, WHILE your omega accounts are already running. What? Is this allowed? Plz no ban. I didn’t mean to I promise.
Excluding question 1, is it still basically 1 human per alpha account?
What if it is doing something very non-evasive, such as a computer in the the other room is an alpha account, with no one playing it and it is not botting, 0 APM input, and its just live streaming Jita undock or something. I don’t see any reason this could affect the game other than a load on the servers if someone makes thousands of account, but then they would need thousands of computers to run them. Does the ToS get specific on this? No one is actually playing this alpha account, it is doing 0 APM input.
Very old bug that haven’t been fixed.
It literally can’t be exploited. (Atleast not in any meaningful way.)
Alpha can’t set safety to red, no skill points and so on and so forth. You need to stay logged in - so downtime is the deadline anyways for this to work.
Can’t remember what ToS states. Iirc you can use multiple computers - but again you would need Omega for any meaningful gameplay… Google/read ToS yourself lol (?)
You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose.
Yes, actually it is. If you fire up another Alpha on, say, a laptop or something and all that client is doing is just sitting there watching Jita undock or a gate, then that client is providing free intel for you. Intel that otherwise you would have had to sit and watch the undock or the gate yourself in order to obtain.
So yes, it’s against the TOS. 1 Alpha account online at the same time per person. That doesn’t mean you can have 10 Alpha accounts going at once on the same IP if you just so happen to have 10 spare laptops…
You can log in to the character select screen with Alpha accounts while another account is logged in. You can access the NES or redeem items this way on multiple Alpha accounts at the same time.
What isn’t possible (and isn’t allowed) is to log in an Alpha character while you also have another character logged in.
‘No one playing it’ is not possible. Someone logged that account in with a purpose, in this case the purpose to stream Jita undock, so that account is logged in by you.
You can do so, but only one account at a time if any of those accounts is Alpha.
Well i would think that CCP has very fine fingerprinting of all computers involved in place, since you can’t decide only by IP then.
But in that case you have to consider the full impact of the EULA. If those Alphas even share the same email-address, payment information, move from one computer to another, are always all online at the same time and so on and so forth, you are breaching other aspects of the EULA as well, as account sharing.
There are quite some reports of bans having happened, because people tried anyway and weren’t so smart to consider the whole picture. And i didn’t even describe the whole picture in all completeness.
If however you think you have 10 siblings sitting in your house, then this is a valid case. Be prepared to have them hand in the relevant identity proofs to CCP to show these persons actually exist.
Again not knowing about the big picture of the EULA will get you into trouble for sure. Mess up one aspect and all involved accounts will be banned. As well as the email addresses and the payment information. (if you ever thought to boost your alpha for a bit by buying something, then you already messed up.)
How do you think those age paragraphs from the EULA will be verified when in doubt?
If you are between 13 and 18 years of age, you must have the permission of your parent or guardian to before providing the personal information required to create an EVE Online game or website account.
In compliance with The Children’s Online Privacy Act of April, 2000, we cannot provide subscriptions to individuals under the age of 13. If you are under the age of 13, you may not create an EVE Online account and you are not eligible to enter contests or promotions.
BY SUBSCRIBING TO EVE ONLINE, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE AT LEAST 18 YEARS OF AGE.
I am aware of these and also that people get banned if caught, I was specifically asking about what you specifically wrote whether such (CCP asking for IDs) even happened or is it just a hypothetical and also would such a thing even be legal.
Btw just for clarity my original post which you replied to earlier was a reference to what I often read on r/Eve people saying CCP will not know and that people also often ask what if the person has family in the same house how that will affect things.
To which by the way it is said even by CCP employees if I recall correctly that separate people playing from the same IP is okay.
Thus I was noting these in my post in a humorous but obviously hyperbolic manner to be easy to spot and understand.
Oh and just for the record I hope anyone who exploits / cheats gets caught.
Just as always in these kinds of threads the “hypothetical discussions” come up. Like “what if i have 10 siblings then what…” …well then you play the game with your 10 siblings based on the rules and interactions with CCP customer service as required.
If you don’t have 10 siblings, then don’t play the game as if you had 10 siblings. Because if you do, CCP will find you and all of your accounts. The easiest way as described above doesn’t even involve measuring any kind of playing EVE.
Of course you don’t need to provide ID to CCP, but they also don’t need to provide you access to the server. They can terminate it for whatever reason, which you also agreed to by the terms of service.
Depends on if CCP wants to operate in a region with stricter regulations when doing business in them, such as the EU and also China are known for such though probably in different aspects but probably the US can be such too as well as others.
CCP can write anything in their EULA but that doesn’t mean that will hold up in court or when the related authorities get involved and if they want to keep operating and earning revenue from potential millions of people in that region (including already paying customers) then they themselves also have to abide by the related regulations.
Just like the latest such thing is the news posted not long ago by CCP that they will enforce how payment to the US is made including local taxes, how the price is calculated and displayed and so on.
This is why I asked about that specific scenario you mentioned whether asking for ID happened and if is even legal because the EU is known to take such matters (personal information) very seriously and could ban and/or sanction CCP and its EU operation with huge fees if they find their practice breaking regulations.
It is similar to media piracy (movies, music, games, etc.) or advertising vs adblocking, online gaming vs cheating / hacking in them, regional pricing vs VPNs / pretending to be from a different region, and so on; it is an ongoing battle between the two sides, some people trying to circumvent limits or having to pay for things while companies trying to prevent such.
And usually if the person does it in a careful and competent way (thus not messing up as you mention) it is very hard for the company to recognize and prove such, and banning people’s access when they paid for a product (especially without proper proof) can not just result in bad press but even related authorities getting involved which might include fees to be paid or even banned from operating in a related country or region.
So because of these I was curious but it seems you just brought it up as a hypothetical instead of an actual thing that happened, at first it sounded like it was an actual thing though.
I have not experienced it. And anyone who did would be subject to the following two paragraphs from the terms of service - not to talk about it and not to register with false information or withhold any information.
You may not publish private communications from CCP, their agents or representatives or EVE Online volunteers without authorization.
You may not give false information or intentionally hide or withhold any information, including billing and contact information, when registering your EVE Online account subscription. You are responsible for keeping this information accurate and current.
Clarification On Section 18 Of The Terms Of Service
In the discussions following our communication on botting, bans and other reprimands were discussed and some players brought up section 18 of EVE’s Terms of Service which states:
“You may not publish private communications from CCP, their agents or representatives or EVE Online volunteers without authorization.”
Whenever this clause is brought up, it’s obvious it carries with it a couple of misconceptions that we probably haven’t worked hard to adjust. Some argue that we set this rule to hide what happens between us and players, which is not possible and is absolutely not our goal.
The actual reason the rule was originally set was to protect our staff from out of context posting and partial reposting intended to foster misinformation without us jumping in and clarifying. The thinking was (and to some degree still is) that this would put our staff in a position where unless they responded to every such post, it could be expected to represent proper context.
In that sense it was always meant to improve discussion, not censor it.
This clause also covers some pretty fair expectations regarding other forms of communication than ticket responses. Our staff converse with players through E mail, private messages on social media and on Discord about all manner of things and in that context the rule is in line with common courtesy.
Another misconception is that we´ll ban people for posting ticket replies which is not accurate. Over 15 years we’ve very rarely banned players for violating this clause (single digit number) and it’s always been on the back of a stack of previous warnings or over a wilful attempt to falsify or misconstrue communication for nefarious purposes.
Whether we need to clarify the wording of the TOS or whether having a conversation about what it means like we’re doing now is enough, is something we’ll consider.
For now, the best way is to ask whether you can share the communication if you feel you need to and be fair about how you treat one-on-one communication.
Speaking of this, when I was new player the alliance I was in was doing it via Remote Desktop. Which avoids the rule. I would not be surprised that this method would be used on a mass scale…
Btw, anyone knows how to setup limits on remote desktop so they can access only specific program? Asking for a friend .
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