My Catalyst flies faster than the speed of light.
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Naw it’s science… And everything you have posted has been in the same vein that would have kept the Wright brother from even attempting to build a plane to there is no way to sail around the world.
Science says yes, there is very good ways to put a permanent presence on both the Moon and Mars.
But hey, have it your way. You are right we should never even attempt it. Why bother, right. We should ground the planes, turn off the computers, stop driving cars, turn off all the phones and don’t even think about using the telegraph, and never run a train again. Because naysayers were always right.
LMFAO You just keep right on saying no way.
Meanwhile in the real world. the groundwork for exploring the possible places to set up camp is under way. I probably will not live to see the first permanent presence we will have on either the Moon or Mars. In spite of trumps and musks over eager ambitions. But it is going to happen all the same.
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That link of yours is nothing but a pitch meeting. It contains nothing of the real dangers of living in such a death trap.
You’re the type of person who thinks we can float a city on Venus. Of course, when asked how it’s possible to make a city float on top of sulfuric acid clouds amid 300mph winds, you will simply say, “Science” and expect that word to explain everything. Sorry, but this is not Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey. Words like “Station” dont mean whatever you want them to mean.
We don’t have the power to change the laws of physics. Science won’t change how our bodies degrade without gravity. Science won’t stop meteors from hitting the moon and Mars at 100,000 miles several times a day. Science won’t stop cosmic radiation from destroying human cells and whatever animals we bring for food. Science won’t stop that deadly dust from destroying all of our equipment. Have tou even researched any of this? Did you take time out of your day to learn about these dangers or was your only reaction to simply say, “You’re wrong because Science!”
Go look at images of the dust under a microscope. Look up what our bodies do when there is no gravity. Look at what solar radiation does to living tissue and electronics. Dont just say I’m wrong. Science won’t simulate gravity like they do in science fiction. It’s not possible.
How often during your lifetime have you seen actual pictures/scenes in the media of huge impacts of meteors on Moon or Mars? I mean, like really big ones, being able to blow up a city or something? Right, zero times. Why? Because all those “meteors” are tiny and not delivering much impact energy.
Yes, they could possibly punch a hole through an aluminium-wall or a glass-cover of some Moon/Mars station, but those things would be designed not to get destroyed by that (aka explosive decompression). Chance of being hit at all is de-facto pretty small, and even if, most likely a hole of the size of a peanut would result, losing air pressure in a single element of said station. Those stations would be constructed a bit like submarines, having multiple sections that can be separated by pressure-doors so at worst there would have to be one section repaired after the impact hole is sealed. And since - given the right construction - it would take several minutes to hours to lose enough air so breathing becomes impossible in such a section, there would be enough time to even evacuate the people trapped in there after the emergency cut-off. Emergency-Suits can be stored in each section.
Not even counted that most plans for those habitats involve major parts of them being built underground, many meters below the surface, using solid rock as cover that would catch 99.99% of all standard meteorites that actually hit the bare surface. Even with water tanks as secondary shield above the normal living spaces to catch almost all radiation. Only the solar power generators, landing pads and some science buildings would be on the surface, but the living area, storage area and life support would be completely underground.
Yes, it would be a very advanced project, but even with current technology absolutely doable if mankind would work together and assemble the resources nessessary. And with 50 or 100 years of technological advance, it will even be pretty simple construction wise because materials will advance both in strength, weight and production processes. I don’t say we will invent warp drives or wormholetravel any time soon, but permanent bases on other planets or moons are not even science-ficiton any more, they are totally doable with what we already know and can do, if we would really want to.
Even a small rock can do catastrophic damage at super high speeds. And if you’ve got a permanent colony on the surface, it doesn’t matter if it gets hit in a week or in 2 years. Once it’s hit, it’s gone. Depressurization and death for everyone inside that section. You can’t just pick up the structure and move it. It’s permanently in a shooting gallery.
And yes: high velocity = catastrophic damage. These are speeds way beyond anything you’d ever see on Earth. Anything from 30,000 mph to over 100,000 mph.
Look at it this way- a tornado on Earth can rip up an entire building in seconds and that’s just wind speed up to around 300 miles an hour. A tornado can destroy an entire warehouse or factory. In fact, there’s really no way to build a truly tornado proof structure and that’s just with the record breaking tornado that had 321 mph wind. Knowing that, how can you even pretend that a rock traveling at 50,000 mph isn’t catastrophic?
That wasn’t rhetorical. I really want to know what your thought process is. If we can’t build something to be fully immune to a 300 mph tornado, how can we build something to be completely immune to a rock traveling at 100,000mph? Or even the more common impacts at 30,000mph? What is your thought process on that? You specifically stated that the construction of such buildings would be simple. Explain please. You’d make a fortune and quickly become a multi-billionaire if you know how to simply construct houses capable of withstanding impacts of that magnitude.
Again, how often have you seen “high damage impacts” on the surface of the moon or mars shown by the media in the last 50 years? At least the moon is watched closely enough to witness any large-scale impact with a very high probability. And so far I have found no evidence that during the last decades anything hit the moon that would have completely destroyed a fortified underground structure (and even if it would have hit the moon itself, chances that it would hit exactly our station are literally zero). You act as if there is a constant rain of rocks falling from the sky there, bombarding every square meter with the impact of warheads. That isn’t the case. You can span a 100x100m tissue on the moon and will probably have not even scratched it by anything in years. And if it is hit, 99.99% of all hits will be microscopic holes.
Stop watching SciFi movies.
What would happen if an asteroid hit the Moon? | The Planetary Society.
Please call NASA and tell them that they’re wrong and that Mars and the moon never get hit by rocks. Tell them all about the evidence you have on the subject.
From Nasa’s website:
Thanks for confirming me:
Lets conclude:
- most meteorites hitting the moon are rather dust particles
- some are actually large enough to form a visible crater,they have been spotted over months and years
- the chance that one of them would actually hit a base on the moon is close to zero (compare surface area to impact probability)
- even if hit, a properly built base (largely underground, split up in different complexes that are connected with tunnels) cannot be completely destroyed or even significantly damaged by them
- an impact of a magnitude that could obliterate a whole city-scale area including massive underground bunker structures has never been recorded so far
Stay real please. Most damages on earth comes from pressure waves which simply do not happen on the moon. Most of the thermal energy can’t reach underground structures and several meters of surface material plus concrete bunker structures that are all divided by pressure-doors that can close individually would provide a level of safety that makes it nearly impossible to have such a base being wiped out by an meteor impact.
What a fool, of course it’s possible to start colonies on both the Moon and Mars.
It will be a horrific life for anyone that goes there, but it is absolutely possible.
Such an idiotic hill to die on!
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I said that it is not a matter of if. It is a matter of when. Permanent structures cant be moved. In 2023, an asteroid hit the moon. It will happen.
But hey, believe science fiction. And in that case, just plug in a generator and you’ll have a shield and breathable air. Oh and install dome deck plating for that artificial gravity. I noticed you kept avoiding that topic. Cant come up with an argument for desling with zero G? Ha!
When did GD become OOPE?
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But it is his hill and by god he is going to die on it… SMH
No one ever said it was going to be a cake walk… But as former President Kennedy(a) famously said. “We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.”
Interesting historical footnote. Both the soviets and Europe both thought the U.S. was nuts for sending men to the moon as fast we did. Both were of the opinion that it would be another 20 years before a launch to send anyone to the moon could be done safely.
We crazy Americans did it anyways… Cause we could. That tin can with a lot of really unproven tech. Made it possible for those astronauts to do it again and again.
I am willing to bet that it will be the chinese that makes it to the moon and puts the first permanent base on the moon. It will in all likelihood be small and cramp. With just a few people able to rotate in and out.
The U. S, right now is to caught up with the ongoing drama of what is happening in Washington DC. For a real mission to be funded and planned.
This old series is about our Apollo mission and all the planning that went into it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMHoNaX-cUY&list=PLixQ68YSS0PH7qpS1VjqxNMNo27CrXt4C
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I never said we couldnt go to the moon. I never said anything like that. But hey, if you believe we can just treat the moon like Star Trek does and pretend it has a beautiful atmosphere, Earth equivalent gravity, and a forcefield that protects from all of the other deadly hazards that would otherwise make living there impossible, then I’ll play along. After all, we have all of that tech in Science Fiction so why not?
Let’s play an exciting game of Fifteen or Fifty
how old is this guy?
You decide!
@Glenduil and @Aallin_Gicquet you both seem to have equally opposite opinions about colonies on on the moon or Mars. While I do like to keep my fiction separate from facts, it has been the human imagination that has made our current world possible. While the old saying, “Necessity is the mother of invention.” rings true, the path is to success is paved by the unlimited human imagination.
While we are limited by physical laws, I don’t believe we are restricted to never leave the Earth, The bigger problem we have at present is the failure to agree and cooperate as a species on this planet. We allow petty issues and opinions to get in the way of progress.
I am a dreamer, I can think of many unique ways to travel vast distances in mere seconds. The theorist takes my dream to the next level and explains how it could be accomplished. Then it is up to the scientific engineer to make it a plausible reality. Finally we have the inventor who builds the future.
We have discovered underground cavern on the moon, which might be a good place to start. But instead of working together to get to the moon and explore, we are more worried about which nation will get to the crater first. Our problem isn’t so much the laws of physics, the problem is us.
Until we do build a base on the moon and colonize Mars, I will continue to dream and supply creative ideas from my imagination. Enjoy the dream, learn the science, and above all else…
Have fun!
Can you link to somewhere in this topic where anyone said stuff like this or Did you you just invent it to make it look like you had a point?
That’s a great point, Aallin, and Kennedy’s words still resonate today. The Apollo program was a bold leap, proving that determination and ingenuity could push the boundaries of what was thought possible. The skepticism from the Soviets and Europe only adds to the sheer audacity of what was achieved.
It’ll be interesting to see who establishes the first permanent lunar base. China is certainly making big strides, but I still hold out hope that international collaboration will play a major role in the next phase of lunar exploration. With Artemis and other private-sector initiatives, there’s still a chance for the U.S. and its partners to take a leading role.
Space exploration has always been a reflection of where we place our priorities—hopefully, the future will see a renewed focus on pushing humanity beyond Earth once again!
Sadly this mechanic has become the default in debates.
Hey. I said I’d play along. Why are you continuing to argue? Just forget about physics and say “Science” and everything will work.
After all… I’ve only been in the electronics field for 30 years with 3 degrees in electronics. What do I know? We’ll have a colony on the moon in no time.