i just learned how to do that… so.
you guys can believe whatever the ■■■■ you want, if you want new players to keep hemorrhaging keep up the good work i guess.
But I actually really like this game and want to still see it online when im in my 50’s.
I also think there’s validity in everyone’s opinion to an extent.
No you don’t.
Holy ■■■■ we got a mind reader. Please continue to tell me what i think.
Like why even reply with this? Its a waste of your time and mine, AND its devoid of any real conversation.
I get the feeling you water down a lot of forum posts like this and derail them to the point where the original topic is lost and readers lose interest.
You want to publicly spit at me? Find me in game and do it there.
It’s simple, really. The people who make a big deal of telling everyone how open-minded they are, are anything but. You’ve already displayed a clear commitment toward framing this game’s community in terms of the generic moral dichotomy all carebears subscribe to (namely that the honest, hardworking PvE players are good, and the vile PvP griefers are bad and are trying to suppress the desire for justice and equality for their own nefarious needs). Whether you’re a troll or not doesn’t even matter, as this is your stance, and it’s a ridiculous, stupid stance that has zero rooting in logic and objectivity, regardless of your true agenda.
Why try to pretend to be impartial when your biases are so clearly evident to the rest of us? We see right through that.
There’s not much I can do to a throwaway alt that doesn’t log in.
It really writes itself doesn’t it
edit: also please make up your mind. am I an alt who has some nefarious hidden agenda or a new player who’s never had a pvp encounter before of any kind?
You know, you could come and visit me anytime in low sec. There is like, literally nothing preventing you from hunting me down.
Even if its just to pop into local and say hi and have some lively banter.
The age of the account isn’t really of any importance. Nor is the accusation I made of “is Paul Shack” an alt. It all seems super suspicious, but at the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter.
I mean, it’s pretty common for people to use forum alts in EvE anyway. (I mean, my super sekret main lives in Null sec krabbing for the goonies anyway).
But I do have a question. It’s a simple yes or no. So answering with a yes or a no shouldn’t be that hard. It would help me understand you better, your position and how you approach your arguments.
Do you believe that the vast majority (35% or greater) of gankers are morally void and depraved people in Real Life?
Yes or no.
I can’t do that until you answer the question.
Honestly, no probably not.
Realistically? yeah they are god damn look at this.
I gave that guy a pretty thorough, moderate response. A mix of building bridges about how tough things are, plus concrete actionable constructive advice. He didn’t engage with it at all, which everyone else can see and use as a signal of their own.
In my personal experience, I attempt to (but don’t always succeed at) offering constructive and actionable advice, though it is still in a “tough love” spirit. There have been more than one occasion where others on this forum have reached out to me saying “dude, you’re falling for troll bait” and judge me to be a stupid sack of bricks. Whatever. Because they see what often happens to those conversations, the person I try to build a bridge to decides I’m the nefarious one for trying to offer concrete and actionable advice and then there’s 10 posts of back-and forth ■■■■ show that could be summarized as:
People often come to the forums not “because they want help” but because they want cheerleaders saying “yeah you’re totally right” to boost their own ego in an emotional moment of vulnerability. The forum devours vulnerable people. Exasperated from trying to offer every tip and trick I could think of, I have literally asked posters before if gaining cheerleaders is their end goal of complaining, and the response is just more personal attacks and ego-protection. Which is an answer of itself.
it is really taxing.
Which low sec are you in
We could maybe set something up , not sure what corp your in or solo player, maybe setup a battle date
Takes 2 seconds to look it up on zkill.
Similarly for “Which low sec is Io Koval in” lol.
I’m in Hevrice. The Black Rebel Rifter Club, R1FTA, the corp I am in, is made up of solo frigate pilots, like me. We will not blob. Nor will we use ECM.
And all R1FTA pilots are expected to honor any ransom they demand. No taking the monies and blowing up the ship. (But it is rare for us to offer ransoms. We prefer watching the fireworks)
There’s so much BS in that post that I want to address, but I need to focus on the most important stuff here.
There is no forum wide conspiracy by gankers and ISD’s to silence the nerf gankers. The real reason they like to pretend like there is though is because it allows them to control the conversation. Instead of us discussing the merits of their arguments (or even how selfish and entitled they are), we’re debating whether or not they’re actually being bullied or censored. Honestly, it’s very Eve like -I’m almost proud. If you can’t win a fair fight, don’t fight fair.
Some posters are short on tact, and conversations can get heated, but this is true of both sides of the debate. So, this is just more victim narrative ■■■■■■■■.
Well, there are indeed some people who will say you are wrong for having the wrong values or playing the game wrong, but to pretend like they are the only people arguing here is what’s known as the fallacy of composition. Just because some people will try to delegitimize the perspectives, values, and priorities of other players, that doesn’t mean that all of us are doing it, or that there aren’t a ton of other people engaging with the merits of other people’s arguments.
Of course, people tend not to like being discredited based upon demonstrating a lack of knowledge, misconceptions, or flawed reasoning (i.e. the guy who recently proposed nerfing bumping revealed that he didn’t even know bumping had a 3 minute limit, or… you know… your fallacy filled forum posts). So, instead they try to act like attacking the substance of their arguments is actually an underhanded attempt to discredit their values and perspectives.
Moreover, this is as serious case of the pot calling the kettle black. I don’t know if you noticed this or not, but a lot of nerf-gankers are trying to:
That is bullship and you know it. And I’m sick of your lies of omission… You forgot to mention the other common responses:
And then I go, “welp, can’t argue with that logic,” and then go kick a puppy because I’m a real life psychopath.
I’m at work and as there is no hurry I thought I’d use this form of communication . If that ok .
It’s nice to chat rather than to appear to be a no it all clever clogs like many here.
If they didn’t derail forum posts into the same old sht then it wouldn’t be as good a read. The same as if people didn’t post the same old gank whine sht then it wouldn’t be as good to read.
It’s all good.
I think a lot of people are simply not willing to change their minds on issues. I did a complete U-turn on my attitude to ganking…largely due to experience in Eve and discussions here. I now see it as vital to the game. That’s not to say I won’t ever do AG…but I could just as well also decide to gank. The very fact that I have been so vocal here is an interesting record of how a person’s views change as they get more clued up about the game and gain more experience.
You aren’t alone in this regard. I’ve had plenty of friends who started out as carebears in EVE, and then went on to become pirates and mercs, and just in general changed their entire approach to games by starting to seek out PvP-centric experiences, like hardcore survival shooters.
This proves that turning to hardcore/non-consensual PvP is an evolutionary/adaptive step, because:
Transitions always happen in this direction, and never in the direction of carebearism from a starting position of a “griefer.”
Not everyone is capable of making this transition, and there exists a heavy positive correlation between those who aren’t able to, and people who aren’t able to adapt to other changes in general (e.g. mining yield changes), who engage in evolutionary-disadvantageous “beta” behaviors such as serial begging and complaining to authorities/higher powers.
And that’s why I keep telling you that you’ve already made the transition, and it’s safe for you to skip the low-end gameplay and just jump right into the real thing. You’re still kind of holding on to the sunk cost fallacy with regard to the type of progress you’ve made, which admittedly is a feeling that’s very hard to shake. Just go and liquidate the Gnosis. You don’t need it anymore.
I don’t have any sunk cost fallacies. I’m one of those horrid ‘P2W’ people who can potentially bring in billions via wallet…in fact already have. I just dont want to end up with a killboard that says 500 losses and 10 kills.
