NPC haulers would provide a very interesting alternative to player hauling. They would be cheaper and faster and invulnerable to gankers, and this would provide more gameplay balance and counterplay options for industrialists.
Id find a way to interfere with them. Job stealing scabs.
An an NPC CSM too ! Preferably trained with AI from Monty Python sketches and able to say ’ my hovercraft is full of eels ’ in response to everything.
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You can have 15 interactions on the killboard by getting too close to triglavians. That’s quite a low bar.
I agree 100% that games shouldn’t be changed based on a few people shouting the loudest. That’s a different thing to discussing a game on a forum.
That’s a low bar which you don’t meet.
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Fair point and I suppose it’s possible they might try to implement something close to Aiko’s idea, but I don’t think CCP are that stupid.
You could even use them to encourage people into the ganking playstyle. People start by shooting the NPCs for their skins and scooping the loot in their alts and then graduate to joining a freighter ganking corp shooting at real people.
Sure, but I actually admire people with lots of losses who are still in the game. It takes gumption to keep going. People wtih 15 losses won’t have rage quit on losing their first Venture.
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Ok Aiko this is officially me noticing you. You’ve clamoured for attention. We all get your schtick, you play a lot of eve, you like to troll and insult people.
You keep being you.
If you don’t play a lot of EvE, how can you possibly have an informed opinion about game balance? You should learn how to fly a freighter, before suggesting changes to freighters.
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Let’s be honest, no one actually quit upon loosing their first venture. That’s an absurd myth.
I can sort of believe someone might quit upon losing their first barge as you can just about get into a barge when 40 million still feels like a lot of isk.
However let’s be honest, they didn’t quit because they lost a barge. They quit because they didn’t make the connections with people in the game that would tell them to chill because that is something that happens and they will soon make it back… or… they quit because they just didn’t like the game that much in the first place.
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I have flown a freighter. I owned a fenrir which I used to shuttle a few bits around a few years ago on my freighter alt and sold just the other day to by a munin and a new doctrine battleship plus some change.
So why don’t you post on your main so that people can know who they are talking to?
If you wanted a serious discussion, you would do that - right?
So if that’s your position then what, exactly, is the problem and why does ganking need nerfing in any way. I mean, the corp I am in offers free Procurers to anyone who loses one. Joining a corp is the best thing anyone can do…and a main defence against ganking, what with corp intel etc.
I agree that people quit because they don’t make the necessary connections. But that’s not the fault of gankers. Maybe the NPE should explain the dangerous nature of Eve somewhat better.
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My freighter pilot isn’t my main.
I don’t post on my main because I’m paranoid, also because I don’t care about zkillboard stats or look them up to decide if the person I’m talking to on here has an opinion that is worth listening to.
I decide if someone’s opinion is worth listening too by the way the hold a conversation with someone. For instance if someone makes a habit of creating absurd redctio ad absurdum posts or quoting parts of conversations out of context to change an overarching dialogue then that is probably someone that has an opinion not worth respecting.
After all I could buy an account with a good kill board using real world money having only played for a few days.
When you are arguing for gameplay balance between freighters and gankers, forum rhetoric is completely meaningless.
Only actual ingame experience can provide an informed opinion about balance, and not only am I the most active ganker in this thread, but I’m also the most active hauler and the most active industrialist. I’ve never been ganked, so I’m not sure why you feel there is an imbalance. Actually, I am sure why you feel there is an imbalance - you lack experience, and don’t know what you are talking about.
If you think ganking is easy, come gank my freighters.
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A lot of people have been saying I have an anti ganking position. I don’t. I think it’s stemming from confusion caused by people trying to convince I’m an alt of JJ and or Dracvlad both of whom I’ve disagreed with in the thread.
I think I got tarred with that brush because I said I was anti salt mining. However gankers don’t have a monopoly on salt mining. I see plenty of it in null sec.
Ganking doesn’t need a nerf. I don’t think the bar is too high for it or two low. It’s not good or bad for the game. It’s just an emergent play style.
Why are you posting on your ganking player if you are the most active hauler?
“I’m personally bigger than red frog and all the other frogs combined” Aiko Danuja 2022
Red Frog isn’t participating in this thread.
Are they?
I’m sorry I thought we were chucking reductio ad absurdum about Willy nilly? We not doing that anymore ok.
Who gets to be the arbitrator of who is the most experienced. I’ve done a bit of hauling, I’ve listened to opinions of gankers and haulers. I’ve owned a freighter of my own and I’ve sold it because it wasn’t interesting to fit and fly.
To be fair I do plenty of hauling. If I can’t get hulls in null I regular ship down a cruiser and it’s fittings in a viator. It might not be as grandiose as moving a tonne of catalysts and T2 ammo in a freighter but it’s hauling. I also haul my ratting loot to Jita when I need funds.
I could pay someone to do it for me in a JF but I’d rather do it the long way and stick to paying people to move BC and above.
There’s no evidence anything you said is true.
Regardless, what is your point?
So the conversation is over, right?
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