Drac disagrees with me.
I haven’t accused him of being JJ’s sock puppet. Because He’s not.
Nice try tho. Do try and logic better in the future.
Drac disagrees with me.
I haven’t accused him of being JJ’s sock puppet. Because He’s not.
Nice try tho. Do try and logic better in the future.
I disagree with you here. I’ve seen pro-gankers posting on, if not their mains, an account that does a lot of pvp, outright troll and post nothing but low quality shitposts and i’ve seen “alts” produce cogent arguments discredited by little more than that trolling.
It’s not about you. It’s about what you demand of others.
What you seem to demand of others is that everyone put their main on display so you can somehow bring them down to their in game stats as to their credibility in an argument. Maybe i’m reading it wrong but that is sure how it comes across.
Oh so you can cite one example where you haven’t done this and that somehow renders you immune from criticism of the times you do it?
Excellent logic yourself bro.
No, just you.
Really. Try and logic better.
For some reason, in your mind I am denied the possibility of holding that same exact underlying emotion. Despite coming to a different conclusion than you.
Absolutely not, you can think different than me and like the other end of the spectrum of the game than me I am fine with that.
Hard to tell I don’t even hate gankers, but it is more about building something people will come to.
I want us all to be able to keep playing.
Look, I get it. My tough, frank, candidly honest, and straightforward feedback delivered to you as a courtesy that others here do not give you, you do not recognize its value for what it is. It’s honest, it’s a useful signal for personal reflection and growth, it’s encouragement to better engage with the community, having a genuine presence here.
Well thank you for that and the time you put into it. I will take it more serious and reflect on if I am in being senseable or not.
You instead perceive and receive that feedback as a threat. To your ideas. And therefore to your sense of self. Because you’ve coupled the two, to no fault of anyone else but you. You then have a quick knee-jerk reaction, you don’t take a breath before responding, and you grant me absolutely nothing. Leading to insults, denials of my humanity, unemapthetic rhetoric, whatever you want to call it. I still don’t care about that, I still care about the forum community which is the only reason I bother responding to a poster who tries to single me out for as displeasureable abuse as possible.
I am employed and I only have so much time for analytics here. But I do not perceive anyone in this thread as a mean person, or a threat or anything like that. Some dense, yeah, but hey each to their own.
If I am being honest, it is a insult and a denial of humanity? Come on, cry me a river what are we in high school debate class. You are such a noble knight of the forum. Bravo I guess and what you do is fine, other than you alt crap, that is old and has zero meaning.
Let me save you the time and just refresh your memory and you can go back 2.5k posts to see how consistent I have been: if you don’t like what I have to say then please join the community as a genuine capsuleer with your main, post far less frequently in a manner that actually reflects anything than agenda-pushing demagoguery, or don’t post at all.
Otherwise I look forward to the third time we have this exact conversation again.
Thank you for the reflection time, I will stay here on JJ and keep going on the endless megathread to I think no where.
JJ
Hell, no. It’s just yet more disingenuous waffle from you. I asked you for actual evidence of your claim that ’ numbers are going down due to ganking’…
…and it is very clear that you don’t have any.
And once again you speak with forked tongue, as the person trying to restrict what people can do is actually you.
Do you have anything to offer other than bovine excrement ?
I am hiring a private detective don’t worry, I have got a couple of replies and the one named Sherlock Holms seems to be promising. More to follow stand by.
JJ
how do you think you will adjust to low, where flying cheap ships gets you killed pretty quick?
Hope you dont mind me answering a question asked of someone else with a question… however why are you assuming that gankers only gank? or that they would only try to survive in low sec flying the same ships and using the same tactics they do in high sec?
Ganking as far as I recall began with goons, a pretty organised group saying “hey, we are a potent enough force in the game we can reach you in high sec and mess with your stuff too”. James 315 and all that roleplaying stuff came later but ganking began with the nullsec alliances.
I just want to support JJ.
If we remove Highsec ganking from EvE Online, then Highsec will become a boutiful and fertile field for new players to mine AFK and happy freighters to autopilot.
What JJ singularly fails to grasp is that in every Darwinian environment that exists ( and Eve is one such ), prey needs predators in order to exist in the first place. Every prey animal that exists has been honed to perfection by the predators. It’s a delicate balance that works both ways. And Eve simulates this perfectly.
Remove the predators and populations simply spiral out of control and go into chaos mode, with far greater levels of disease and far less ability to cope with dangers.
This is precisely why wolves ( to give but one example ) have been re-introduced back into parts of Europe…much to the horror of all the 'what about those poor Bambi deers ? ’ carebears. It is because NOT having the wolves there is doing more harm to the ecosystem than having them there. It is NOT having the wolves about to control the population that is cruel, as they would normally take down the older prey quickly and spare them a slow death from disease or starvation.
Eve is a Darwinian…‘nature, red in tooth and claw’…environment. It is unashamedly so. And those such as JJ who want to protect Bambi from all those nasty wolves are simply playing the wrong game, as well as having zero grasp of ecosystems.
I disagree with you here. I’ve seen pro-gankers posting on, if not their mains, an account that does a lot of pvp, outright troll and post nothing but low quality shitposts and i’ve seen “alts” produce cogent arguments discredited by little more than that trolling.
I thought you were asking about me and you, not “what Io thinks what he should think about everyone else” because anyone who thinks that way is trying to have a heavy authoritarian hand and dominate the conversation their way. There is no right answer so disagreeing with me is perfectly rational. I just don’t like the sudden rug-pull.
What you seem to demand of others is that everyone put their main on display so you can somehow bring them down to their in game stats as to their credibility in an argument.
Others might do that. I don’t.
I have asked people to try new experiences in Eve (like Cilly) to better refute my lived findings on specific topics (like npc nullsec solo mining, low sec piracy or high sec hauling, my frigs get staged from somewhere after all), because I find commenting on gameplay one doesn’t earnestly attempt distasteful*, but again, if you’re just fishing for generalized answers, why bother asking for my point of view and what I do?
*See my posts in Siege Green thread analyzing wormholes, I know very little about the area so I only make limited conclusions from lived experiences of others told directly to me (aka moving out of WH and into low).
I am hiring a private detective don’t worry, I have got a couple of replies and the one named Sherlock Holms seems to be promising. More to follow stand by.
JJ
Help me understand how this helps your credibility. I mean humor is good an all, but being sarcastic as a tool for deflection from an argument you made doesn’t help it.
You just keep repeating yourself. You will start to sound credible in your own ears atleast, if not anyone else’s.
Okay and?
That is all, it’s not a complex point I’m making sport.
Hope you dont mind me answering a question asked of someone else with a question… however why are you assuming that gankers only gank? or that they would only try to survive in low sec flying the same ships and using the same tactics they do in high sec?
Ganking as far as I recall began with goons, a pretty organised group saying “hey, we are a potent enough force in the game we can reach you in high sec and mess with your stuff too”. James 315 and all that roleplaying stuff came later but ganking began with the nullsec alliances.
I mean the most popular gank ship is a catalyst as you know, which is a free ship in the game, and where the poke comes from.
I mean I think gankers doing PvP in low would do absolutely fine, I think they would even thrive to be honest. If they are organized, I think they can even be a real issue to deal with. Maybe lacking in the capital fleet support, but you don’t have to be in a capital fleet to cause some serious mayhem.
JJ
So, basically your point amounts to nothing.
Very insightful. Riveting. Revolutionary. You’re a real testament the sock puppet kind.
But let’s get this convo back on track.
Ganking is evil and should be removed from the game. And gankers should serve RL jail time.
Some people just want to PvP in high sec, JJ.
Because I am not going to go through all the time to pull all the resources together so you can click on them. I am a really busy person in real life, and I don’t see how I need to make your life easier. We both play the game, and we both claim we want the health of the game (financially and for players) to improve. Go get involved, you don’t have to a professor at it, just reading the quarterly reports would give you a good health check. Look at the PCU number this summer compared to the last three. I don’t need to bring all that here for you to click click click you JJ you are great read it all still don’t like it, go get more… I am not doing that game with anyone here.
JJ
I thought you were asking about me and you, not “what Io thinks what he should think about everyone else” because anyone who thinks that way is trying to have a heavy authoritarian hand and dominate the conversation their way. There is no right answer so disagreeing with me is perfectly rational. I just don’t like the sudden rug-pull.
I’m asking from a point of curiosity having seen you tear people down in threads for not posting on their alts as it is somehow disrespecting the community and denying their credibility but not having seen you once question the credibility of those that quite clearly only provide low quality ■■■■ posts to the conversation.
I guess I just saw it happen enough times to get curious and ask the question. No "rug pull intended.
My point amounts to calling you out for a low effort shot gun snipe from you that puts me in the same camp as a forum member I don’t agree with on anything.
However as per usual you’ll overcome criticism with sheer obstinance while calling the other person stupid to deflect from the fact you never actually answered the initial challenge.
Good job sport.
Altara I am not saying change 8K systems. We are talking about high sec only, and if the map is flipped it would be even easier as high sec would no longer be the heart it would be skin of the game.
I do understand what you are saying, and there are mechanics that need to be considered. We don’t want to create a toxic community.
We will see with the skill plans and the like changing. That could tell us a lot of how CCP is going with things. I will be reading it, I hope you are too.
So I am not delusional about what you are saying. You have good points. I am not a master of Eve I don’t have solutions for everything today. But none of you see it that way, any change at all it is the 10th degree of this and that.
I don’t need to have the 100% solution, just the idea.
We will work through the tough times here.
JJ