Pass? I dont know anything about it if so
Cept it doesn’t 
And you know it I find it as fun to watch you squirm bro
you can defend yourself against the rats if they turn up. you not so much lol.
not that I’m complaining, will be good to finally meet you at the belt, I keep seeing you around when I’m doing things apart from mining sadly.
I must admit though my heart does race when I see you flashing in local no matter what I’m doing and am undocked so there is that 
It’s that thrill that the vocal minority seeks to deny you by getting rid of ganking. People would miss it when it is gone I’m sure. Sadly that is often the way of things.
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yeah I agree. the desire to not have my ship blown up, and the high likelyhood of her doing it is what I like about it. like cat and mouse. It’s a rush that I don’t get if ganking never happens
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If you enjoy that feeling you should start dabbling outside of high sec. You get that thrill much more often.
I have lately, I just admit it’s a learning curve but the mining is 10x better. doesn’t matter if ship is lost when the ore is paying for a demolished ship every load. I still come to hisec though most days, just not for mining.
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Its not a thrill if you get exploded every trip.
Keep HS thrilling, but probably best staying out of the other securities
Yup… this thread should be deleted, it is a pointless thread!
The gank itself is not toxic, but this thread is.
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Actually, I disagree.
If anything it shows how people don’t understand what EVE really is, and that is what is leading to their misguided posts.
The crux is that people play EVE without really understanding what EVE is. Then when the truth hits you in the face with antimatter, it makes you decide what sort of player you’ll be.
What people have to understand is the solution isn’t to cry to daddy CCP to save them.
Its to learn how to EVE.
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I think the issue is that EVE is built by the players and the different players groups all have different ideas of what eve really is. There is cross over and common ground but no one group is interested in entertaining/respecting another’s defenition, especially where it conflicts with their own.
So we draw lines and throw around stereotypes and speak about our differences negatively. Bicker in forums etc
That’s not a true statement.
Also remember that EvE is the king of alts and many people have many alts dipped into all sorts of different and conflicting aspects of the game.
I wouldn’t say its “pay 2 win” per say. More like pay to own. But I agree you on one point. It’s cancer and it defeats the purpose of playing the game to actually acquire something in it.
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By definition, I understand what you were getting at.
Either way, I think it’s exploitation of the newer player base and CCP whale hunting.
I’m all for a company making money, but there are ethical ways to go about it, and creating an environment where new players are dropped into a world where they may feel lacking or behind compared to their peers and then capitalizing on that, is sleezy.
It’s no better than those awful mobile games.
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It dliutes the meaning of ‘pay to win’ to pretend that EvE is a pay to win game. You can cry about a Retriever ship pack, and I agree CCP shouldn’t be doing that (and they aren’t), but it’s simply dishonest to claim EvE is “pay to win”.
EvE is about as pay to win as poker. Although it can be helpful to have more money, it’s not that helpful, and it exposes you to more risk. A new player can swipe their credit card and get into a titan on day 1, but it’s absolutely not going to help them.
Lucas isn’t arguing that EvE is pay to win, because he truly believes this. He’s not a video game philosopher with wise insight. He is simply making the argument because he is bitter about his own in-game failure, and he is desperate to discourage other people from playing the game, so that he can feel better about being a loser.
If EvE is pay to win, why haven’t you won?
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More like Rock Paper Scissors.
So even you admit, in your most extreme case of Eve being a “4”, that EvE is not really a pay to win game. At the very least, a pay to win game should score a 5 out of 10.
That got me thinking, Princess.
Most definitions of the verb ‘to win’ will include some reference to the notion of ‘success’.
Unless we define what success or winning are, in relation to an MMO, we will flounder.
In a single-player, you ‘clock’ the game, having beaten (usually) all the bosses, whether or not you completed side quests and/or other content. If there are expansions, you may also finish those off, but your success is rooted in having won the base game.
From the point of view of the player, an MMO is quite different. He doesn’t buy/sub the game with the aim of ‘completing’ it, then moving on to the next game. His ambition is surely to master the content which interests him and to play for as long as his interest is cultivated by the game’s designers.
My view is that you cannot ‘win’ an MMO, and that, therefore, whether you pay through the nose or not, an MMO cannot be pay-to-win; it can only be pay-to-progress - possibly.
Even if he has mastered all the content in EVE, for example, the player may still be logging-in and playing, if only to maintain and enjoy the continuing status conferred as a result of his efforts and/or financial outlay.
He has not, however, beaten the other players of the game, neither has his in-game wealth granted him much more than satisfaction and the ability to buy what many other players can also buy.
Surely, whether you pay or not, you cannot ‘win’ an MMO.
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Regardless, the only thing you can buy are skillpoints. There’s literally no difference between paying $120 for a year’s subscription (which comes automatically with skillpoints), or paying $120 for the skillpoints you would have gotten from that same subscription. Lucas is really exaggerating (as always) by claiming the game is “pay to win”. There is no magical gold ammo which you can buy which will give you an inherent advantage over a player who does not pay. Aside from the basic subscription, you cannot pay CCP for advantages over another player who does not pay. There are no unique items or abilities which are only available to players who pay. Hence, the game is not pay to win.
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Winning in eve used to mean being able to plex your acct. Don’t know what it means nowdays.