Let me put it another way. When you look at the MER graph of wealth distribution in EVE…do you wonder if a graph of how much people object to P2W would have a similar shape or could even be overlain ?
How could they even come close to winning EVE?
They don’t play 
Numbers and facts don’t matter anyway.
So far we’ve proved that team nerf ganking are selling a message that CCP have said Ganking causes churn when CCP actually have said griefing is linked to churn.
We’ve been shown that the nerf ganking team will cherry pick figures to support their need and ignore figures that dont.
We’ve been shown that the nerf ganking team will sling insults at, dismiss, just plain ignore any genuine argument that doesn’t back up their agenda and will sling baseless accusations at anyone that isn’t a ganker but quite rightly doesn’t want to see an emergent playstyle nerfed.
We’ve been shown no corroborating evidence that any new player has left because of ganking or actually wants these nerfs veteran players are asking for.
We’ve been shown that any desire to actually help the new player retention is torched to the ground and discredited if it conflicts with the nerf ganking agenda.
We’ve been shown that when pressed all the cries for moderating ganking are coming from players that actually want ganking removed all together.
Therefore I can only conclude that there isn’t a need to nerf ganking. That this thread has run its course. The actual desire to nerf ganking comes from a few veteran players that want to be able to haul, mine and run missions with zero risk.
This thread has run its course I feel we should get it closed by ISD now and future threads can just be closed and the OP directed back to this car crash of disengenuous and obtuse posting to read exactly what this nerf ganking agenda is about, a few players trying to get a playstyle CCP supports removed all together because they don’t like it.
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That means they already won, then
Remember, EvE is Free To Win.
You just turn it off and go have a beer.
How do you win if you don’t drink beer then?
By drinking juice or tea?
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Nah I don’t believe in that whole win EVE by quitting nonsense.
To me its just something people tell themselves to try and give comfort for the real grief they feel that they are leaving a game that left a real impact and try to process their emotions.
Only something you once loved deeply can also make you hate it that much yennoe?
So Lucas must secretly love Fortnite
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I just wish that when they won eve they would truly win eve and not come to the forums and Reddit with an agenda of spitefully harming playstyles that they don’t like.
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Preaching to the choir here buddy.
I firmly believe only Omega should be able to post here. Reddit CCP obv can’t control.
Of course I also feel you should be able to only have one account too
I have multiple accounts for one reason. So the system of slowly accumulating skill points doesn’t completely harrow my ability to join in with my friends when they do things in game because I only joined ten years ago and they have been playing for a hell of a lot longer.
I have different toons training into different things. Still I have wound up accidentally quitting eve twice now because I set long training queues and wound up completely forgetting about EVE while I play other games.
Before SP injectors that was our only recourse to catch up and get into multiple interesting ships/fly different races. If I’d had joined just a few months earlier I could have been there before they split out the ship hulls into the different races and got them all for the training of one.
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Oh of course. If we only had 1 account, my caveat would be that you can train all 3 chars at the same time.
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Well you can do that but the MCT doesn’t get the same deals as omega time does so it’s cheaper for me to have three accounts with one toon than one account with three.
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Oh no of course. I’m saying in the scenario if CCP only mandated one account, all 3 chars could train same speed, same time.
Then you could specialize as needed.
Griefing can look like ganking but ganking isn’t griefing
Why do you always end up copying me my guy? I mean its flattering but the ick is strong brosef.
I’d actually prefer a system where the skill books once bought let you download the skill matrix style so if you have the isk you don’t wait for x amount of days in the real world for your charachter to learn a skill by not actually practicing that skill in any way.
Failing that the skills immediately give you level one and to get to level five you have to actively fly the ship you are levelling up to make game time more rewarding. I think that would do more for hooking players into the game than nerfing a playstyle too.
You could even get skill bonuses for losing a ship or killing another ship in combat to encourage pvp and shake the dust off those people who want to just sit afk in a ship.
Imagine mining corps organising fleets of pvp procurers and ventures roaming null/low in order to get their new bros into exhumes faster.
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Mm maybe. What drew me to EVE was their RT skill training system. As an adult with a job and whatnot, I do appreciate that you can train and not fall behind even when not actively playing.
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I hear you, I was thirty and in a job when I first started EVE. However the current system almost encourages you to not play so that when you do log in and you’ve reached lv5 on that hull and your core skills you actually have a hope of being competitive.
Plus in eve you aren’t really going to fall behind, you only need to be able to compete with someone in the same hull. Someone will always have had a number of years more than you in the game at this point.
At this point I’m fairly competent with all the hulls I use a lot.
I also made it a goal never to train into capital ships but I wanted to be able to fly every subcap there is.
I was very sad to hear of Trig/Edencomm ships when I came back LOL. But I’m saving most of those for last.
I didn’t think I would ever need caps. However I’ve moved to null to try sov warfare which is just about the only thing I haven’t given a proper go in the game. (Apart from on industry and high sec pvp.)
I might give them a go at some point too if bitter vets don’t get the playstyle cancelled because they lost one too many marauders and barges.
I just don’t want to train that long LOL.
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That is only valid from the point of view that we both started at the same time and had roughly the same options for progress. But that is not the case in EVE. Two players starting at the same day could be completely different in terms of income, assets, skillset after a year, no matter who has paid real money and who does not. You might have invested $200 for a “Starter Pack” and some “Mining Expert Packs” and after a year you sit in HighSec with your Hulk and are Mining Ice for 30Mio ISK/h and think you had such a great advantage over me who did not pay. But I had found a nice corp after 3 weeks, we are living in a High Class WH for the last 6 month and I am swimming in ISK, stockpiling SkillInjectors and PLEX, spinning the Marauder of my choice and thinking about purchasing a 10year old SuperCap Char with 200 Mio. SP from the Bazaar.
Players are different, Career paths are different, Choices are different. You can speed up your progress with real cash, but seriously that has little to no impact at all compared to the ways of generating income ingame and more importantly ways to develop your own progress by cooperating with others for mutual benefit (choosing the right corp for you).
And in the end: Even if we both never meet, as long as we both are happy with our decisions, it does not matter at all who has paid some $ and who has not, it’s not like your purchases hinder me the slightest bit. I think you are constructing an special case here where two players start identically and then after one has purchased XYZ he begins to opress the other player with his new and shiny tools the other player cannot beat. But that does never happen in EVE, because you can always ask around for people to help you and beat the crap out of the paying player and take away all his shiny toys.
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