It’s not necessarily “creating content” if a large portion of the strategy entails telling people that they won’t be able to play the game the way they want to. Someone who wants to mine and manufacture isn’t that much more likely to switch to PvE combat than to PvP combat - that player is going to take that one-week “vacation” the OP mentioned in the first post.
The idea has many flaws that need to be worked through before it becomes viable, with you being one of the biggest examples.
Surely if a strike catches on the opposite will happen…
I hope they go through with it. I hope almost all small hi-sec industry groups join in.
And they’ll see that large groups and the industry alts of pvp players do just fine without them.
Whatever, guys. You feel threatened by “carebears” attempting to do what you keep telling them to do.
And I’m not sure why. Half of you never log in to the actual game and the few that do spend all their time in game whoring killmails. It’s not like this guy attempting to fight the power in his own way is going to affect your gameplay in the slightest.
Edit: Not replying to you, Daichi. I was responding to the two doofs above you.
I didn’t see it this way, with my thinking there would be less mined outright yet high demand for ships and fittings.
I think there is more people mining than doing industry. Quite a lot of people mine to just sell ore.
But if industry stops, so does the demand for ore. Where as some miners will still sell ore (like yourself) and supply wont be as badly affected.
That’s if the strike happens.
Fingers crossed.
I’ll still buy your ore mate 
Send me a mail in game.
Foggy is seeing ghosts again.
We’re not telling anyone to do anything.
In fact, i told one of them “good luck” with this whole “strike” thing. My stance is that this “strike” isn’t going to do anything because there’s a lot of flawed assumptions the carebears are making that leads them to their conclusion.
You can literally check zkillboard and see that this is not true.
I don’t sell ore, well not for ages and what I do sell are Isotopes when I am carrying more than a million.
Ice I do sell that too, last listed price was 157k which is most times to highest buy order anyway.
So here me wanting a price increase is like saying the buy demand price increase.
Wow, so many answers overnight 
. But then, this is a sensitive topic.
I’ll go through some highlights first:
This is exactly the spirit we are looking for, and exactly the sentiment that brought this out. The principal goal of this strike is to unite the small players, that are chronically oppressed exactly because we are small. Disturbing Eve economy and possibly affecting Qcore introduction is just a side effect. The far more important outcome that could come out of this is forming some core organization that, while not meddling in individual affairs at the same level as other blocks, would allow small.indies to have a representation “at the table”, have our voice heard and our policy put forward and defended.
Just unsub and be done.
Otherwise, you are just a scab.
Or a liar.
It is funny actually…
I don’t think people realize you don’t need to put in a core if you do not do fitting/repair/tether. Who cares if all it is used for is only research/industrial or even War HQ.
You still have your shield/armor/structure timer if fueled and your modules still run.
Such a detailed post, thank you!
I have addressed most of these issues multiple times already, but I’ll go over some core points…
As stated, the principal goal is to finally organize the small/indy players, who ogten happen to be industrialist-minded, but many others often find common ground here too. As for your suggestions, e.g., influence CCP vs other players - isn’t this what all these other big blocks do routinely, some even “from the beginning of time”? Their “interference” has pushed other players and CCP to the point where this certain gongrlomeration of small groups, that could not stand for themselves individually, suffered and is certainly feeling oppressed in the Eve universe. So, it is our time to stand up for what is ours and fight back.
Then you go over bunch of my responses, trying to put them together, but ignoring the context of each response, that was made to various people with differing interests. Not all of them smalls/industrialists, some looking to profit from effort of others, some naysayers, some trying to explit situation for their amusement, such as raise the high banner to justify their favorite ganking past-time . I am trying to speak their language to them, pointing out to many naysayers or denialists how they individually can benefit from this movement. Politics is about momentum and being understood, not about being precise to the letter. I know, “tis a dirty business”, but that’s c’est la vie. This is what is done by all the blocks at the table to motivate their people too.
so, finally, coming to this:
Such a quote from the self-identified as pvp player tells me that we stroke gold here, that this action can indeed hit a sensitive spot and be effective, especially if the ultimate goal of making a new organization that would stand up for producers and indies is carried out
You’ve said a bunch of stuff, but you haven’t really answered anything. And to top it all off, you followed it up with the good old “heh heh, we’ve got you now, gankbear!”
It seems like you’re counting your chickens before they hatch. Either that, or this is a well-crafted troll. But even if you aren’t trolling, you’re in no way prepared to do something like this, because you’re unable or unwilling (possibly both) to respond to a challenge, and that’s an untenable situation for an organizer to find themselves in. How are you going to herd all those cats if you can’t even debate someone in good faith on the forums?
You’re really barking up the wrong tree here. I have two characters with nearly maxed-out industrial skills (and millions of unallocated SP that I can use to plug gaps at any time). I can build anything I want. Not only that, but because I am a PvPer, I can also protect myself and my assets if anyone ever fucks with me. About the only thing I won’t do is mine rocks, and you’d have to convince over half of the game’s player base to stop playing before that becomes an issue. If anything, it seems like you should be trying to convince me to join you. And yet, you choose to be smug instead.
I don’t think you’re the right person for this job. I’d consider handing over the reins to someone like @Aiko_Danuja instead.
Wow, such passion, it did strike the nerve it seems 
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But you are wasting your wind here. I am not trying to argue with anyone here. But I am trying to bring people up and organize at least some rudimentary action. I am fully aware that this is not a trivial thing to do, thus I am starting with things that are simple to do or simple to join. But more on that later, in a separate comment.
But, specifically to the “you are the wrong person” to organize this - be my guest, take it over. Or whoever you propose for that task - that name seems to come up so often for example, but how then that person did not chime in by herself yet? In any case, I would only be glad to. \This is a particularly bad time for me, start of a new year, organising bunch of activity in real life, having to finish writing that paper, and taking care of another… Sure, I’d happily “give the reins” to anybody . It does feel more like a duty to me anyway. But I haven’t seen anyone to take the constructive approach at organizing this so far to “take it over”. Pushing one own’s agenda of whether the ganking typ,e the “you do it I’ll profit” or whatever else is not gonna cut it and is what has burried previous attempts. But otherwise, sure, be my guest, I’ll only rejoice…
Nice discussion so far, and with so many chiming in, it is clear that some action of similar kind is long overdue. It would be imposible to react to everything here, but there are 2 points that come up often and need addressing. Purely organizational stuff: the duration/intensity and enforcement. So, with that in mind, here goes:
Another important aspect here, is that, again, at this stage, organizing people to do any action and forming some core group that could initiate and coordinate future actions is way more important than whatever short-lived effect comes out of the action itself. To this end, it is important to get going, to get our grip ourselves, even if it does not make a big impact on the whole New Eden. If we start and have a core group, we can do more and stronger actions in the future. If we push a one-timer, it will remain a one-timer, even if it makes some local splash lasting for a day or two…
Second issue: enforcement
While true, we are in no position at present to enforce such a full stop. Yes, starting to gank someone would bring a bit more attention, but realistically, daily ganks on Jita/Uedama already have quite some scale, and realistically not gonna be noticed much more at this scale. But much more importantly, this will alienate people to whom we are trying to preach at the moment. So, for now please ignore the ganker incentives to flight a strike banner to affirm their favorite past-time. For exactly the same reasons I mentioned in the 1st point (the scale/duration), it is much more important to get people involved and get momentum going, than to achieve a big result right here and now.
So, I do agree with naysayers about achieving end result in a single simple action not being realistic. However, the one important difference is I know that all great achievents are preceded by a path walked patiently. All great things start with small deeds. All long roads have first step.
Once we achieve sufficient presence and can produce a spash large enough, then we can think about formulating the policy, making demands and doing enforcement. This is also why I do not put particular emphasis on making some demands now, before we demonstrated that we can even achieve anything. We would simply get laughed at. Once we have the numbers, we can pose demands and talk about enforcement of actions, not before. But again and as always, that first step has to be made, otherwise the entire journey is forfeit.
I don’t want to take it over. I think it’s a terrible approach, because it revolves around getting people not to play, instead of getting them to play more.
If I were to do something like this, I would instead focus all resources on turning these players into an effective fighting force that’s at least capable of deterring enemies, if not outright defeating them. Here’s the thing, though: I’ve tried doing that in the past. But out of all the times I’ve offered my services, I was declined all but one time, and during that one time, they ended up not being serious about it.
And this comes down to the main issue with your proposal: the people you’re trying to “help” actually don’t give two shits about you or your plan. They just want to mine and watch their wallets grow, and wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire an arm’s length away from them. And you realize this, because you used terms like “self-centered” and “selfish” before anyone else did. And this really makes me scratch my head, because I can’t fathom why you’d try to help these people, instead of using their ignorance and obstinacy for your own benefit.
Realistically, I stand to gain quite a lot (like the other smart players here) if your plan works, so talking about “struck nerves” is really reaching for straws. Like I said in my big reply, your heart isn’t in the right place. All you want to do is sock it to the “griefers,” instead of accomplishing a meaningful goal.
At least I have a goal. Sorry, could not resist .
But I am totally confused why you think this is my goal? Why such a fixation on the idea that I want to force some “other people” quit? (which I don’t really care about). Hm, ok, one time I responded to one of the very common pessimistic comments about “you have to leave the game to affect CCP, I am quitting now”. I did say then that, literally, if it is your mood, then why don’t you try to go with a big bang? Even that would be funnier than this misery reaction . But that was a motivational speech first and foremost. Just trying to reach that kind of person, to give them something to live for…
But what I do care about is what I stated above - to organize people to finally have some core organization that could stand for the rights ofthis group around here. And yes, again, I do realise the difficulty of the task. And there were indeed many responses to the letter of “I am a heartless bastard, yo do this, I’ll profit”. But there were even more positive reactions, people showing actual interest and suggesting how to organize this better. So, from that, I’d say this may not be a lost cause after all…
What “rights,” exactly? You keep using that word so often, but you still haven’t defined it, even though I asked you to in my big reply.
Well, ok, legally speaking there are no “rights” in Eve universe except game mechanics, which is a different beast. I guess a better word would be “interests”. “Rights” is kind of a colloquial term used often in such situations in communications I am more accustomed to. But you are right, I’ll try to switch to using the word “interests” more often instead, sorry .
