Fun fact: After the alpha release in February CCP released a blog about how big of a success it was and that limiting alpha accounts to 1 account per ip was a huge success on game balance that they had plans to apply it to Omega accounts for balance.
3 months later that section of the Blog was deleted.
The one who should meet expectations is the CEO, not the corp member. If my corp was not fun I’d leave.
This. There’s no point in discussing the removal of alts/multiboxing because it’s impossible to prevent and removing it would cost too much money even if it was magically possible.
It should be an account feature to be able to use all 3 account slots at once.
That said… when you get into the 25-man GSF/CODE. (same toxic community) broadcast-input fleets that’s where fairness is simply lost. And to add to that, to CCP, that’s 25 paid accounts… so they have almost no interest in really solving the problem. CCP has bowed to said community at every turn in my 10+ years of Eve.
Do some get punished? sure… to give a facade of ‘ACCOUNTABILITY’, just like the purposeful design of slot machine buckets to sound as loud as possible… To give the illusion that EVERYONE IS WINNING! When in reality almost nobody is.
The Code is winning. Always.
I agree, multiboxing is–in my opinion–one of the most off-putting game mechanics allowed in EVE. Yes, if it wasn’t allowed corps would actually need to have people log on to do things cooperatively. I don’t see how this is bad. Yes, if you wanted to do high level PvE stuff, you’d need to have friends join you. I don’t see how this is bad.
There’s tons of stuff to do in EVE that can be done solo, and generally the only major difference is the reward involved. So players make less ISK…and? Don’t we generally want to move away from the ISK grind?
Seems to me, every time someone has a good idea, one of the replies is something like “vets will just log on 10 accounts and abuse it.” That should not be a legitimate reason to dismiss a good idea, and it seems to contradict the notion that only a few people are doing it and therefore it’s not a problem. In any case, if it’s really not a big deal because not that many people do it, then why would getting rid of it be a big deal?
Now, the inability to actually restrict multiboxing in practice is a real concern, and maybe that’s the reason it doesn’t happen. That’s understandable. But whatever problems EVE may or may not have, it doesn’t appear to me that trying to make minor tweaks here and there is going to cut it. Something has to be done, be it eliminating multi-boxing, a complete overhaul of certain types of game play, or whatever.
Anyway, I’m not demanding anything, but I do think this would be a change for the better. I don’t actually expect anything to happen.
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Less drugs.
Any game that is online that you pay for should never have a limit to how many accounts you can have active. The only limit is based off the gear you are running them on.
I can only think of bad effects if multiboxing was changed.
Less money for the company is one. Eve is already feeling low on population. No multiboxing and those that would quit after such a change would thin Eve out.
Mining. I dont see the many multiboxing miners banning together to accomplish the same thing they used to do on their own.
Economy. The economy may balance out after a while but we would see it out of balance for some time. How long is hard to tell.
as opposed to everyone playing by themselves with their alts in each of their little world compared to working with each other? I rather have a small population and people interacting and working together than people playing with their alts.
Ive known a guy that goes around with a team of 5+ alts in shiney ships wardecing and killing small groups of new players, nvm the people we have doing 20 man gank fleets and i heard in a incursion channel theres still 1 guy soloing HQs. i just finished watching a guy come back to a citadel today with a domi fleet of 9 to reinforce some more citadels
anything industry/research we had a guy with 100 accounts at eve vegas whine to CCP he waste a lot of time checking all of his characters to see what build and research jobs are done, CCP put in a job counter in the indy window now. CCP keeps complaing NOT ENOUGH DESTRUCTION because theres people with so many alts all they do is build and they build more than the player base can hope to lose.
Mining and being active with others? nah i watched a guy online a fleet of 70 procs and takes out several systems by himself a day including the ice spawn multiple times.
Used to in eve we had corporations and other groups working together, now everyone just solos anything short of a fleet fight.
Death to alts.
Nice job pointing out the rare and extreme. During the years I have played I have never seen or heard of such massive multiboxing fleets.
Once and a while I have seen a mining fleet of 5 to maybe 8 that may be all the same player. Or CODE or wannabe CODE ganking with 3 to 5.
I’m sure those massive multiboxing fleets you speak of are out there but are rare.
I think the anti multiboxing crowd either cant afford to do it or dont have the time, so they complain about it. Or they have some ridiculous religious like belief that multiboxing is wrong, some how.
I can see maybe capping ( if possible ) accounts to 5 to 10. But for the determined they will find a way to go beyond that anyway.
Multi-boxing characters also play with other people.
Multi-boxing miners work with other multi-boxing miners. Logi, mission running, gankers, bombers etc
If people are honest, there is probably little to no relationship between multi-boxing and not playing with others. It’s just used as extra power/convenience than avoiding social interaction. You probably get as many characters playing solo as you do solo multi-boxers.
And multi-boxing was just as allowed then as it is now.
What you’re talking about is probably the result of increased safety taking away the necessity to work with others rather than multi-boxing.
This. Multiboxing only really works when there is minimal risk because the coordination problems become too much of a liability otherwise. If you want to remove the incentive to multibox you need to remove the safety from those activities.
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this is all 1 guy, approx 80 accounts. before input broadcasting was banned there were a bunch of people Soloing HQ and VG incursions, theres still groups solo ganking freighters. i watched a group in an area im mining 1 guy with 10 accounts burning citadels in domis and another guy threatening people in system with his group of ganking alts/station burners.
finding people multiboxing more than a few alts isnt hard like this, all of the incursion multiboxers that soloed HQs i knew put their 60+ accounts into supers and out into null to rat years ago. rather or not those guys are still playing now i dont know.
generally i can go to different areas and find someone running a 10-20 man orca fleet afk, in this pocket that was at i know several people doing orca fleets. Ive also watch a corp get evicted by a guy that was multiboxing a fleet and took on a 22 man fleet. 0 losses on his side vs approx 40 on their side in 1 fight.
eve meta is mostly if you cant solo it, get more alts.
Nothing wrong with multiboxing, god bless the boxers.
Lol, I wait for Amar like heresy about how multiboxing is good for eve and there is nothing wrong with it.
The fact alone, that doing this in eve is not only legal and allowed, but supported by CCP is just crazy.
Even the launcher is designed for multiboxing…
So yeah most of the eve players don’t make 40 man fleet for PVP that’s true.
But most of “solo” players use alts for scouting at least.
Damn even new changes with cyno, demand you have a designated alt for cyno.
Dear Empress Aiko, why would you choose to post amongst these peasants and uneducated fools?
James teaches us to walk amidst the miners and witness upon them.
