And, to be absolutely clear on this …
When no one contests the ESS, after two hours they get the other 30 million ISK?
They’ll have plenty of reasons they can tell us …
… but not one of them will be RMT.
It’s extremely unlikely that anyone who plays in null to form for ISK has any plans at all.
As far as I am aware but I am happy to stand corrected.
Edit: and as I did need to clarify, this was before the most recent changes to timer and %
Btw, isn’t it funny how this thread is being ignored by all these greedy fucks?
Ah, so it’s more than 40 million as a base pay.
It feels like everyone complaining is likely an RMTer.
Maybe they are too busy self destructing their drone boats for insurance
The starting amount for DBS was %115. The people I talk to say on average its down to about 75% with no PvP to keep ADM’s at military 4. With no losses due to the ESS, its a %25 reduction, but still half of what the maximum payout is. To keep ADM’s at military 5, the drop is down to the low %60’s. Many are ratting in the frigate heavy sites just to raise the index hewer, with what used to be a 18-20 million ISK tick dropping to 8-10. Interestingly, this means the ESS usually only have a few million ISK in them, and none of the roaming gangs are interested in waiting 5 minutes to steal it. Another told me a red did do a steal and got 320,000 ISK for their 5 minutes of labour.
Sounds like its working out as expected.
I wish I understood your obviously well meant post,
but it’s actually confusing me.
This makes no sense to me.
It’s like you’re using a different jargon.
…
So you’re saying the raw income at ADM 4, without ESS, dropped to 8-10 million ISK per tick?
You have some weird biases. You ask a question that you don’t really know the entire issues surrounding it (how ratting income is generated in Null, indicated by your confusion on Litsea’s answer), you pre-judge anyone who has the knowledge and experience to answer it as greedy fucks, and then you judge them further for not taking the time to answer and educate you.
If you asked traders “tell me the details of how your trading profit is affected by new fees you greedy fucks” they probably won’t answer that either.
You’re not even on the beam with calling them greedy. There are levels of the game which require literally hundreds of billions of ISK if you’re going to fly “ships you can afford to lose”. Those billions need to come from somewhere.
People play the game that CCP has designed for maximum return. It’s something that happens in all games, it’s a facet of human nature. It’s foolish to blame people for getting the most they can out of something. If you’re going to call someone greedy fucks, call CCP that for designing the game that way to sucker a bunch of whales into subbing 6 accounts so they can max-farm Null with their 20,000 alliance buddies and all fly supercaps.
Okay.
I didn’t write “greedy fucks” in my initial post. There’s always people who only read the first post and jump to an answer.
I wrote “greedy fucks” in post #23. There was lots of time for someone to respond and the reason, why no one did,
definitely wasn’t because I was writing “greedy fucks”.
It’s also not comparable to trading, because people would absolutely not give away their secrets …
… because it would affect their income …
… but there’s nothing to lose from telling someone else how much money he makes in null.
CCP/Hilmar being greedy … idk. On one hand all bigger companies are greedy …
… on the other hand, if they were truly greedy, this game would have turned into WoW long ago.
Can you try that again?
Feel free to provide a reason why anyone would educate you on a topic that you start off with a biased judgement like this on. I mean, I’m fine with reducing income in Null, even though excess income and wealth is not the actual problem that everyone knee-jerk responds to it as.
But you aren’t really asking for information here, so it’s no surprise you don’t get it. You’re just veiling an attack as a question.
ESS… had to look it up,lol. Thought you were talking about resources changes.
I guess you got my answer on ISK related to ESS now 
Sorry, Ill bite.
Why are you talking about mining?
Why are you replying to me ? 
Because you seemed confused in your reply to Sol pre-edit
Actually I got it, but … okay. To be fair, I can’t fully trust the response …
… but it’s all just a matter of time anyway.
You two.
Get a room.
Never
I was replying to you. I have no idea why that individual felt the need to address me in any way.
I got a room with someone else already and I don’t do ménage à trois 
Ill do what I like, cupcake.
If it annoys you, all the better, with that attitude.
I better leave you to your delusional world, cupcake.
Good luck with that ESS Mining and POS mining, slugger