Apparently telling kybernauts to post their own threads rather than derail other peoples threads is not allowed under the rules of the IGS.
Haha-- well, itâd be part of the disruption itself if itâs responsive to a disruption after all.
Apparently CONCORD disagrees with you on this position.
When did CONCORD voice an opinion about what is courteous?
When they removed my post asking the kybernauts to post their stuff in their own threads.
They only removed that post because it was a reply to a Kybernaut post they removed.
They were agreeing with you.
âIt is not overâ without more context could be interpreted as a bipartisan post about the war in general, hence admiting the boasting from all involved sides and their respectives motifs. (But still, would also find nice of the Kybernauts to have their own thread)
By the way, loved your photo @Elsebeth_Rhiannon, specially the hair.
Too late, I have already grabbed the wrong end of the stick, and jumped to conclusions.
Itâs actually quite a good exercise routine.
Here is a thread you can use when you go on a tangent out of the scope of the original discussion. You can also start a new one, say in this case on the topic of âshould people celebrate and mourn the loss of trig systemsâ.
On the matter itself, regardless of what you think people should feel about it, fact is a lot of peopleâs homes were at least changed, and in many cases destroyed, without their consent. Even if the you think the change is for good, it was done without consulting them, by force. The people who did not want it have all the right to feel something was taken from them, and to mourn, and to be angry.
âRejoice, for I have Reclaimed you for your own goodâ is a line the Minmatar are intimately familiar with.
And we are not buying it this time, either.
But we have not reclaimed anyone who doesnât want to. Everyone who wanted to leave could - you didnât encounter any Kybernaut opposition when evacuating those systems, did you? Nobody is forced to prove themselves or join us in the flow.
Triglavians are not the oppressors and slavers the Amarr were. They are, along with Kybernauts, the exact opposite, breakers of chains you canât even see.
We certainly encountered Triglavian opposition. Also, evacuating entire systems, sometimes with multiple planets isnât an easy task. Additionally, Triglavians have responded to purely civilian evacuations in ways that have been described as âErratic and Indifferentâ which might mean they donât particularly care and sometimes wonât shoot but sometimes will.
But even if they never shot evacuations at all, they did force themselves onto entire systems and although you may have forgotten, not everyone is a wealthy capsuleer and can afford to leave planets they may have been on for many years at the drop of a hat. This would be especially true for those with larger clans or families that may wish to stick together, increasing the price and making moving more unwieldy. Others might have other reasons for being tied down to a planet as well. People who donât want to be stuck in these places or these conditions are stuck in them. The fact that you say âIf people donât like it, they can just leave!â doesnât really do much to console people whose homes were decimated and stolen violently by an invading force.
You did not break any chains. You backed an invading, violent force, and caused many people much pain.
You destroyed their homes.
You murdered the entire future of those systems. Mass extinction of all naturally occurring life. Ecological genocide.
And you continue to gloss over this as though their lives mean nothing, their homes. Because the only thing that mattered was pleasing your new overlords. Youâve exchanged one set of chains for another.
We did encounter heavy triglavian opposition in Skarkon, and in Vale, too, the system needed to be cleared of them to make clear way for the evacuations. Kybernauts, I give you, seem to have had some decency about that, though they have attacked refugee centers and civilian collection point beacons.
This said, if I showed up in your house, changed the locks, sold your furniture and replaced it with my own, and shot you if you tried to resist - would âwell you can leave if you donât like itâ be good enough for you?
Do you have any evidence whatsoever to back this up ?
Because thereâs plenty that shows the Triglavians were using force. And their first messages were that people had to prove their flow or be extirpated. That is force. And oppression.
Please point me to âthe plenty of evidenceâ that Triglavian forces applied ANY violence against civilian population in any Minmatar system
Considering the last news we have had from Skarkon, the first Minmatar liminality system, is
As all those on Skarkon II await the inevitable Triglavian landings, Republic evacuation flights continue even while thousands of troops prepare for the coming battle to control the planet.
asking anyone to point to evidence to what the triglavians do after landing does not seem sensible. I cannot give it, but neither can you.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Again, if I moved into your house without asking for your leave, threatened to shoot you if you resisted, and refused to leave, would you accept âyou can leave if you do not like itâ as good enough for you?
Donât try whataboutery or deflection. Answer the question. Either you have evidence of the Triglavians alleged peaceful intentions, or itâs all wishful thinking and projection on your part.
Iâd like to add to this with what I consider the most insulting offence.
And thatâs Triglavians giving colonists the âchoiceâ of accepting bioadpative manipulation or straight up dying as a result of them wrecking their systemâs ecosystem.
And Kybernuats Iâve spoke with like to focus on how the Trigs are doing this to help them survive and thus are doing the right thing, despite giving them a crisis to survive in the first place. Where their options are to die or hand their bodies over to their bioadpative technology.
This new regime is off to a great start in proving theyâre better than the Empires.
So, the message was supposed to be âprove your flow or donât, we donât want to force anything on anyoneâ, then? Cuz I couldâve sworn it was âprove your flow or be extirpatedâ.
You are a fool, and a liar, and you chain yourself to masters you donât even understand. Wrap yourself up in your happy delusions all you like, it will change nothing. You, and all like you, deserve nothing but an eternity of agony and pain as your very minds are destroyed from within.
Iâm pretty sure her telling everyone why the drones werenât available was neither her demanding people justify themselves, nor asking your opinion of the matter. As a businessperson, sheâs seen someone buy up all her stock. Thatâs potentially a bulk customer who will have a large, consistent need for those drones. Sheâd be an idiot if she didnât inquire after the purchase to see if there was an opportunity for repeat business there.