Things hardly ever change around here, it seems.
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Speaking of admitting fault, wasnât it you who put out a hit on State and Federation navies? For wanting to remain neutral, thatâs a pretty morally black thing to do. Maybe youâd like to admit your fault?
What you believe about me turned out to be false on numerous occasion, and Iâd ask you to cease spreading your inflamed imagination about me if you were more honorable, but I guess it would be just casting pearls before swines, so Iâll just correct your stupidity, by saying that âcrimesâ is not saying a âmean thing about meâ, which is obvious only a product of your hateful mind, but a âspreading of obviously false information about me that defames Caldari uniformâ, which has nothing to do to ego, despite hateful personalities like you foolishly assume, but with defending reputation of Caldari State and Militia.
Of course lies by itself is a dishonor, but your personal dishonor comes with your coward refusal to stand and answer for your words. If I did something wrong, I always answer for that, but you act as a criminal, not a honorable person.
I donât even have to argue about that, the accuser should bring the evidences, which you apparently havenât (which in fact makes you a slanderer). Moreover, a calling me of a Provist isnât even an accusation, but knowing your hostile attitude it can be considered as is from your point of view. In either way, your cherrypicking is rather noticeable, here is the whole list of your initial slanders:
https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/381560/
And if you see, on 1st and 3rd places are ones which you under no circumstances could show to be true. You do know about the concept of a lie by omission? You just openly stated that the lies is âcalling her a Provistâ without listing even official ones I have listed and way more you have been spilling out of your hateful mouth since then.
And just think⌠because of what? Because I âdaredâ to offer you to join us? Just think of yourself how much disgusting you are if you start being so irrationally hateful to those who try to make an alliance with you.
And now thatâs just hypocrisy multiplied by stupidity.
Wasnât you in that tratitorous I-RED organization that even declared WAR on major Caldari militai corporations, and you DARE to blame us for cleansing our ranks internally? Protectorate is not your business and never was, itâs you who have no rights to meddle into our business.
But even the type youâre meddling into our business shows your character in full: youâre literally supporting a pilot who OPENLY stated her allegiance to GURISTA PIRATES, against a pilot who was loyal to the State all these years. Apparently ~shooting gurista under station gun~ is a crime for you. Right? I can pull now all the line leading to âhow I was right all this timeâ, but itâs not about it. You could have claimed I was making up about Gesakaarin back then, but what is worse, you STILL defend her, even after it became public knowledge.
If I have done even a quarter of what you have committed, Iâd already bring apologies to ancestors and took a cup of tea. But since you didnât, I can openly say that even scammers in Jita deserve more respect than you.
I think with my previous post I have shown that dishonorable people canât admit their faults even if they know itâs a fault. I think you will have a better luck asking a Sansha pilot to denounce Kuvakei than asking Makoto to admit her faults.
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Kim, anyone who desires to commit genocide is an enemy of humanity.
Which means you.
The rest is all but the palest breath, and trying to posture around your desire to kill as many of those as you consider âotherâ and a threat as possible. I wonât bother debating the dressing for your inhumanity.
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Oh really. What a relief. Some of us were beginning to worry. Your denial sets all at ease.
Surely we all simply suffered a shared but temporary delusion regarding LUMENâs defense of EMâs pochven infrastructure?
Related, All pilots in the Amarr militia must have slipped on coffee aboard their bridges in the same instant and hit their collective heads in exactly the same way to hallucinate a LUMEN incursion in Eugidi, lockstep with EM, attempting to dismantle Amarrmil infrastructure.
Seriously though, be silent, you seditious, heretical pupa. We grow tired of being exposed to your desperate, yet seemingly interminable noises on this topic. You wonât find a pilot between Jita and Amarr that knows your name but knows not your misdeeds - trailing behind you like a thick mucous, rank with a mix of hubris and heresy. Judgement is coming, and when it does, no desperate pleas, treaties, petitions, or minmatar scum will be able to save you from it.
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Just once, could you try telling the truth?
For example: You know very well that LUMEN defended the Poch astra because it was an EDENCOM-aligned facility that served their purposes, as well as those of any other Amarr-loyal EDENCOM-affiliated pilots, just was much as it did EMâs.
And you know perfectly well that your second example is a Phoenix Naval Systems operation where LUMEN assisted PNS, and EM also assisted PNS. That does not in any way support a claim of LUMEN being âsubordinateâ to EM, especially when LUMEN had a 40% larger force on-field than Electus Matari did.
Tell you what: next time I know where LiP is gonna do something, Iâll show up on grid, shoot 1 thing you guys are shooting at, and then re-cloak before you notice me. That way, we can use that as âevidenceâ that LiP is subordinate to Goonswarm.
I think everyone who isnât you and Saronu are probably getting pretty tired of your lies, Mikal. Howâs Bos I doing these days?
Soooo⌠youâre calling slavers âscumâ now? I think your Gallente backgroundâs showing.
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Youâre right. They shouldâve waited till Pilot Malitia provided them for free.
That was data recovered from the Navy ships in Athounon, isnât it? I admit I could be wrong I have not been following this incredibly closely. But for all the noise about ARC offering to pay for the data, only to have a Caldari Militia pilot supply it for free? âŚOr was it for free? Did ASMR pay Pilot Malitia under the table?
Fickle capsuleer loyalties and ISK. We may never know.
The release of data was a smart play. If only to reduce the harm of ARCâs actions.
Think about this for a moment.
Remilia, a Triglavian sympathizer had enough sense to not put bounties on Caldari citizens. But ARC, who many of their supporters claim to be loyalists of the State put hundreds if not thousands needlessly in harms way.
No matter how you spin the entire affair, the Caldari Navy already had that information in their possession. The State Protectorate, and enlisted contractors had the information. ARC had no place to interfere for the sake of âtransparencyâ.
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We can agree on one thing. ARC had no right to that data. But when has that ever stopped Capsuleers before? Besides, I donât recall people being outraged at whether or not ARC had the right to it. Just the fact that people took ARCâs bounty for the data as a step further and saying it was a bounty on the heads of the State Navy.
Public outrage is often impotent, especially here. I know I-RED and many other State entities have looked at the actions and made adjustments to their policy.
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The State was and still is engaged in skirmishes in the Athounon system. The Protectorate found fragments of the intelligence data during search-and-rescue operations on Navy wrecks. Our receipt of the data was thus sporadic, ad hoc and painfully slow.
However, once obtained, the obvious question was how it ought to be handled responsibly in accord with State interests. Our decision to release it was made after ARC posted their bounty and the system became flooded with their piratical mercenaries engaging Navy forces at every opportunity to loot the now-valuable datacores. Our decision was also in the context of direct communication with General Torigo on the Navyâs wishes.
It was hoped that the release would minimize loss of life from ARCâs bloody bounty. The only thing ARC cared about, meanwhile, was how the release affected their attempt to grab the spotlight in the news cycle.
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By the same logic wouldnât the first of these âflood of piratical mercenariesâ claim the bounty by supplying this information already, as you say they were engaging Navy forces? If releasing the information wouldâve supposedly stopped this tide of bloodthirsty mercs, wouldnât the same have been accomplished whenever the first few mercs offered up the data they had and subsequent ones found out their data was old and worthless, thus causing them to move on?
I feel like the problem solved itself rather fast either way.
And if itâs baseliner lives youâre worried about, I question anyone that pledges to the cause of a Militia. There is no more bloody and constant and pointless a conflict in the whole cluster. John may speak about the Stateâs interests and I believe him, because I consider him to be a man of business first and ego second. But the Caldari Militia was the tool of a madman forged for a failed quest. Let it go.
By the same logic wouldnât the first of these âflood of piratical mercenariesâ claim the bounty by supplying this information already, as you say they were engaging Navy forces? If releasing the information wouldâve supposedly stopped this tide of bloodthirsty mercs, wouldnât the same have been accomplished whenever the first few mercs offered up the data they had and subsequent ones found out their data was old and worthless, thus causing them to move on?
This statement is unclear. Will you rephrase?
The best I can understand you, you are saying that after a sufficient number of State citizens were murdered by mercenaries and the bounty was paid, they would have left anyway?
And if itâs baseliner lives youâre worried about, I question anyone that pledges to the cause of a Militia. There is no more bloody and constant and pointless a conflict in the whole cluster. John may speak about the Stateâs interests and I believe him, because I consider him to be a man of business first and ego second. But the Caldari Militia was the tool of a madman forged for a failed quest. Let it go.
Shame on you, Deteis. Embrace the way of your ancestors and cease this kakku prattle. When did you forget that duty is more important than life?
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Sorry, my brain did sort of scramble that. Let me put it another way.
Some info had already been released. There are two kinds of people who wouldâve been interested in that bounty. The first group wouldâve seen that some info had been released and not have bothered going to hunt any ships. The second group wouldâve thought âmaybe there is more, and I can get the bounty for thatâ. The first group wouldâve been discouraged by your releasing of information, but they also wouldâve been discouraged by the information already released by ARC before your release. The second group would not have been discouraged by either ARC or your releasing of information.
So the end result is your releasing of information would not have made a difference for the first or second group. The first wouldâve backed off once some information had been released, and the second wouldâve delved regardless in their greed. Your releasing of information after ARC does not reasonably affect how many âbloodthirsty mercsâ were out there hunting ships.
This also wholly ignores those who scavenge sites of battle but do not actively engage anyone. They too can collect the bounty for information retrieved from wreckage they did not cause. From what I know of ARC such a method would be preferable to slaughter, but there is no way to guarantee such a method is used over any other. This, I believe, is why they did not stipulate the method. There is no way for them to police such things.
Please donât tell me youâre one who cares about such things as bloodlines. Iâve had my fill of that from cretins like Kim and Nauplius to last this any however many other life times I may endure. My genetic history does not control me, does not own me. There are many more other important things in this life than the breeding choices of my great great great great grand what evers.
Swallow your tongue. I have died for my duty and I will do so again. I died above Home in Hethâs War. Can you say the same?
My duty is no longer to a bloodline, or a flag. It is for an ideal of Humanity. Before Drifters, before Triglavians, I warned everyone that we needed to be united. That we needed to abandon these petty divisions that bring nothing but strife and discord or else Humanity would not be strong enough to weather the foes that lurk beyond the edges of our Cluster. Those who cannot or will not see the reason in the preservation of Humanity barely deserve to be dragged along with us.
But we will. We will shed fear, shed hate, shed these malign visions of Honor and Duty that bind you to the dirt. We shall direct your gaze skyward and usher Humanity forward into peace, security, and the Future.
My! Such humanitarians here! It heartens me, always, to see militia pilots who clearly lament every single life lost, and arenât engaging in even a slightly hypocritical engagement with the issues.
That said, as always, if you wish to discuss ARC policies, the parties to go to would be ARC leadership personnel.
Anyone interested in a frank and candid discussion of policies, my metaphorical door is always open.
Those here interested in cheap and not-at-all-hypocritical points scoring are invited to continue as they are.
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Sorry, my brain did sort of scramble that. Let me put it another way.
Some info had already been released. There are two kinds of people who wouldâve been interested in that bounty. The first group wouldâve seen that some info had been released and not have bothered going to hunt any ships. The second group wouldâve thought âmaybe there is more, and I can get the bounty for thatâ. The first group wouldâve been discouraged by your releasing of information, but they also wouldâve been discouraged by the information already released by ARC before your release. The second group would not have been discouraged by either ARC or your releasing of information.
So the end result is your releasing of information would not have made a difference for the first or second group. The first wouldâve backed off once some information had been released, and the second wouldâve delved regardless in their greed. Your releasing of information after ARC does not reasonably affect how many âbloodthirsty mercsâ were out there hunting ships.
ARC did not release the information first. The Protectorate did.
This also wholly ignores those who scavenge sites of battle but do not actively engage anyone. They too can collect the bounty for information retrieved from wreckage they did not cause. From what I know of ARC such a method would be preferable to slaughter, but there is no way to guarantee such a method is used over any other. This, I believe, is why they did not stipulate the method. There is no way for them to police such things.
This is a sham. I was there and saw with precise detail across 24 hour reports who was there violating the Navy ordnances for the fragments, and not a single one of them was not shooting the Navy to do it. Any creche suckling could have predicted the outcome of the bounty and understood what it was for. Be serious.
Please donât tell me youâre one who cares about such things as bloodlines.
Only insofar as it means you should know better.
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Yeaaaah, gonna have to contradict you here. I was there within 24h of ARCâs initial announcement of bounties. Figured Iâd wait for the two navies to blow one another upâsince they were gonna, one way or anotherâthen salvage wrecks once they got done. But during the window I was there, happily cloaked up, there wasnât any fighting between the CN and FN forces. So I headed back out.
I was, however, within 5km of the CN group and the structure both, and so was definitely âviolating the Navy ordinances1â.
1. Itâs funny. Normally, you see the reverse error: people referring to munitions as âordinanceâ. Remember, kids: when you violate ordinances, youâre breaking the law. When you violate ordnances⌠I mean, no kink-shaming I guess, but those bombs didnât consent! 
Iâm not sure where the contradiction is here.