That’s fine, but that’s not what you told me to piss off about. You told me to piss off because you weren’t in possession of the items, and weren’t deciding anything…
See? And that’s something I never claimed you were. Stars, look at the line you said that in response to: it’s about you asking the question, not you making decisions.
Usually, that’s because the original owners aren’t around anymore. The Brutor are.
Which also hasn’t been advocated. From the start, I said that the only established multi-Tribal resolution body should appoint legal representatives from both Tribes, along with mediators. Presumably, those legal representatives would be working in close consultation with the scientists themselves—the lawyers can’t be expected to know the esoterica of the science, and the scientists can’t be expected to know the esoterica of the law.
We have structures in place to handle precisely this kind of dispute. Why not let them?
The Kul-Brutor who actually (presumedly) owned them aren’t.
“Those artifacts are a legacy for all Brutor, and they belong to us. The Galar-Yu did not even consult us before digging there and they should return these precious relics.” - Sukandi Bjokur
The Kul-Brutor were Brutor. If a Vherokior family dies, do their belongings not revert to more distant kin? Are they just… ‘everyone grab what you can, congratulations’?
Clarification, then: Which also hasn’t been advocated here, in this thread, where you’ve been discussing it, by any of the people with whom you’re discussing it. If you want to take exception to Sukandi Bjokur’s statement, feel free, but getting mad at people here, who didn’t say it is about as effective as getting mad at Jason Gallente for something Alar Chakaid says.
More aptly, someone finds something near a place where your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great aunt lost stuff that nobody is really even sure anymore what it was that she lost, do you demand that person to give you whatever they found because it might be something that belonged to your family? Lines of succession blur as eons drudge on.
Even so, I already said, that yes, they do have more probable claim to those artifacts than anyone else. Just that they have a claim for them does not mean that they are entitled to order everyone else around.
I’m only mad at you because you keep twisting my words.
Well, that certainly hasn’t been a result of any conscious or consistent malice or intention on my part. And, as I firmly believe the onus to convey our intentions is upon the speaker, not the listener, that’s on me. I apologize for giving you that impression, Teinyhr.
Now, can we move on to the fact that I’ve been advocating for co-operation from the start, because essentially we’ve been in agreement about everything, except one thing: Right now the artifacts are in the possesession of Galar-Yu and in their research facility. I don’t see the need to start bouncing them (or hordes of mediators, councilmembers and lawyers) around the galaxy just to satisfy what I assume is Sukandi Bjokur’s ego.
Because that’s what I believe is essentially the root of the problem here, from my perspective the Ihumanoana Circle is the insanely jealous party here. Both are archaeological Circles, whose passion is to uncover the past. Except if it’s specifically their past, then nobody but them is allowed to study it. And that, my friends, is just pants-on-head-stupid.
I wouldn’t advocate moving them at all until the dispute’s resolved. My position is just that until there’s a resolution, and in seeking that resolution, it has to be kept in mind that this is a very different situation than digging up the remains of vanished civilizations. If it’s established that the original owners of the artifacts were Kul-Brutor, that doesn’t necessarily mean the contents were Clan-specific items. With that in mind, care needs to be taken to ensure sensitivity to the needs and concerns of the Brutor Tribe, well ahead of any consideration of pure scientific curiosity.
Because no archaeological inquiry is worth conflict and bloodshed between the Tribes, and let’s face it, while I agree that
I still hold that
Even if everyone involved should grow up and handle it like adults, they’re human… so they probably won’t.
I do think Arrendis has a point, there. Certainly, the ndokassi have likely preserved their contents for centuries, and should at least continue to do so for a few more weeks. It does to make sure there are no hurt feelings, especially on discoveries that should be of interest and pride to all Matari tribes. It can certainly take time, and it’s not as if everyone makes it easy, but it would surely be time well spent to avoid any ill feelings over the subject.
Even if it doesn’t come to bloodshed (and I tend to agree with you that it ‘probably’ won’t), it’s worth untangling the political threads first. No sense in tramping on toes on something that isn’t an immediate emergency.
I still would like to see a third party to be mediating this, be it the tribal council or one of the other tribes that has no stake in this. Before some hot blooded moron goes and does something stupid, like steal the containers or bonk someone over the head with a clipboard…
I’m still perplexed by this notion. We can be our own worst enemy for sure, but I still find it just weird that this is something people think could turn into violent incident, even if it is just a couple of nerds throwing pencils.