One Way to Balance High-Security Space 🗡

[MB_ThePhotographer]

You had to hit me with that one!

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Lucas_Kell

Yeah you got me real good.

What was that game where people were getting killed walking into the street while playing?

Be happy your just losing pixels.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

Only between the ears.

@Lucas_Kell

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@Lucas_Kell

What does it really matter if a large pile of people pay CCP to mine veldspar in safety if veldspars impact on the wider economy is contained?

High-sec PvP impacts many more players than just those mining Veldspar, but that’s the part you never address or even acknowledge.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Lucas_Kell

I think

Hardly.

@Lucas_Kell

the game would easily survive without ganking.

What would be left of the game after that? Bots…

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Lucas_Kell

ganking

The small amount of ganking only affect bots like you.

[Arya_Yeshe]

We are clearly dealing with someone who has a serious condition here, nothing people say will matter.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

But it’s like reading the comics!

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@Lucas_Kell

I have addressed it. I don’t think the impact on other playstyles is particularly large and I think the game would easily survive without ganking.

We don’t care what you “think.” We care whether or not the argument you’re publicly presenting for the sake of swaying the game’s course of development is intellectually-honest or not, and it’s anything but.

Every time you talk about ganking’s impact on the game and its economy, you only mention “players mining Veldspar” or “rookie griefing in starter systems.” You never mention the deadspace-fit marauders chain-farming missions, the high-end abyssal running Gilas, or the loaded freighters and haulers going down the trade routes, the ganking of which carries a vastly greater impact on the game’s economy and environment than players mining low-end ore five jumps from Jita.

When you cherry-pick your arguments like that, you will get called out on it. And we don’t care how you respond. Our goal is met when we discredit you, and not when we “win” the argument.

[Codename_Razorback]

@Scipio_Artelius thanks for the data. I agree with most of what you have to say escept when it comes to ganking. I believe the overall decline has too many factors to easily quantify. However, it’s easy to see that a lot of people are unhappy with the changes to the game or burnt out. The struggle and the excitement has faded for most of us over time.

@Lucas_Kell presents a very honest and compelling argument in my humble opinion. Ganking is griefing and I don’t think the original developers intended to be this way. If players want to shoot each other, they can go to LS or Null. There’s plenty fights to be had.

I’ll gladly pay someone to monitor the in-game channel, “Why Was I Ganked” and compile a comprehensive report. In ISK of course. I ask that each of you take some time and sit in that channel and listen to how they demean and belittle every pilot that gets ganked and is invited to the channel.

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Trust me, it’s greifing.

[Io_Koval]

@Codename_Razorback

Trust me, it’s greifing.

Thank god, here I thought it was griefing. Whew.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Lucas_Kell

Neither position can be objectively proven however so neither can be dismissed out of hand as you seem intent on doing.

Actually, it has… Time and time and time and time and time again…

[Codename_Razorback]

@Io_Koval

Thank god,

Here I thought it was God. Whew.

*Spelling is hard…as is capitalization.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

And yet time and time and time and time and time again you prove nothing.

Edit; Other than you’re a botter anyway…

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@Lucas_Kell

I’m absolutely certain I understand the game’s economy better than you do

Yes, you are very smart and educated and erudite, and obviously vastly better at everything than everyone else here.

None of this is news to us.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

You have been botting that long? How many generations of bots have you gone through?

[Codename_Razorback]

I just remebered the best FC I ever had. He has since passed away. We ran through Curse like a hot knife through butter!

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[Destiny_Corrupted]

With all of your prodigious intelligence and cranial mass density that rivals uranium, you still don’t really get it. We’re not here to win a debate or to hold a wiener-measuring contest with you. We’re just here to, when you say something asinine with the intent of misleading the community and/or any random people passing through, completely discredit you by pointing out your fallacies and dropping some genuine evidence, which these people can read, internalize, and then come to the conclusion that you aren’t someone whose words and opinions should be given consideration.

And to that end, we’ve been massively successful.

What you consider to be your “arguments” isn’t something we perceive as a threat; they don’t need to be “defeated.” Your expressed desires for changes to the game in your vision aren’t on the radar.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

All your here to do is make the game a bot free-for-all.

[Codename_Razorback]

@Destiny_Corrupted

What you consider to be your “arguments” isn’t something we perceive as a threat; they don’t need to be “defeated.”

Well, your little gaggle of trolls sure go to a LOT of trouble to extinguish aa non-existant threat.

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Who’s really being disingenuous here?