Patch changes causing more disconnects? Or lack of "Net Neutrality" for gaming traffic?

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In The past couple of days I have had several disconnects in a row - 3 in a row within an hour or two.

I could of course ascribe this to my ISP, my line and countless other things,
except I was on mumble with 50 other members of my corp and alliance, and heard several of them have disconnects at the exact same times as me - and equal number of times, always at the exact same times, down to the second.

Now I am living in Norway, and they are living in the US - so theres no chance whatsoever that this is caused by my ISP, my line, or any of the servers from London to me - since the exact same disconnects happened to US players at the exact same time - to the second, several times in a row - the “coincidence” is far to great for any mathematical random chance, unless of course one assumes that the route to Norway and the US uses the exact same servers or that one of them, the first leading out of London is the same for Norway and the US , AFTER any CCP controled servers - which I find higly unlikely since I have been told by presumably knowledegable people that EU connections go through some other cloudflare or similar servers (some said to be in the Netherlands for the EU) - i.e.: other servers than the US connections - well, that last piece of information is several years old by now, but still - the fault cannot and could not have been purely “random” if my disconnects happen on the exact same day and exact same time as the US disconnects - to the second - for several days in a row - for very obvious mathematical reasons of course.

Does CCP still see and expierience any more DDOS (denial of service) attacks, minor ones or larger ones that we are not informed of? I’ve been playing EVE now for very close to 10 years, and I remember major outages due to direct DDOS attacks that took out all players world wide, but this is something I cant understand, as well as it being at the exact same time ( I could hear people saying they got disconnected at the exact same time that I was, ) it is also extremely damaging to any fighting or transportation of large value goods going on, so when it started happening today again (twice) I am starting to wonder and become curious.

apropos: just heard 3-5 people on mumble disconnecting from EVE at the same time just now again from different parts of the world and different nations. … several other people on mumble chimed in that they had disconnects all day today too.
I have Never experienced so many disconnects as in and during the past 4-7 days.
forth time today. (6th now. )
All of them saying the same - they have never had so many disconnects as the past days, multile all day long.

aaand again… just now

(added note: I am beginning to consider / suspecting some kind of “net neutrality” abuse - larger server companies forcing gaming traffic onto same servers or something and degrading / overloadig poor connections / lesser capacity servers and server rooms, or - at least - thats the only logical reason I can find so far) .

Have anyone else experienced this and had this happen simultaneously accross nation boundaries ?

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Sometimes one of my accounts that I am running at the same time is disconnected, but it is mostly my internet connection going wild and the other accounts simply surviving it. There is probably some client check that is running every X minutes since startup and so it can happen that when you get lag spike at that specific moment when this check is ran, that account closes while others are okay.

I also had very often disconnects when I played from laptop during vacation. Turned out the integrated wifi went bad. After I used USB wifi it worked fine.

So the answer is no.

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Yeah, I had basically close to zero disconnects over the last months, but several disconnects in the last few days. And other strange behaviour. Sometimes only one account disconnects and the other stays fine. Sometimes one account freezes, but I can freely browse the Internet with Firefox for example. Then suddenly the frozen account “wakes up” and I see everything in fast forward until it’s synched again, HP go up/down like crazy or NPCs dying instantly because obviously the modules did cycle even while the client was frozen…

I also experiened very strange things in the last weeks, like ships on minimized accounts going from “orbit” to “approach” or from standstill to “orbit” even while there was no mouse cursor in that window. I sometimes even see it on the second monitor, I give the ship an Order like “Orbit 30km”, then tab to the other account and can see how the ship changes back from “Orbit 30km” to “Approach” even while I did click absolutely nothing on that account, the window was inactive…

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apropos: just heard 3-5 people on mumble disconnecting from EVE at the same time just now again from different parts of the world and different nations. … several other people on mumble chimed in that they had disconnects all day today too.
I have Never experienced so many disconnects as in and during the past 4-7 days.
forth time today. (6th now. )
All of them saying the same - they have never had so many disconnects as the past days, multile all day long.

aaand again… just now

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Same here. Been running abyssal for months without any disconnect issues. The last few days I have had to stop because I disconnect every ±30 minutes.

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I have been getting random disconnects and have basically pared my play back to “doing the dailies” but nothing else.

I’m not losing ships to NPCs in a combat anomaly. Eff that.

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Same here, even wrote an bug report, lost ship in the abyss

Requested refund because it’s clearly on their side, but nothing except, not our problem !

It’s really random and occur often couple of time back to back to the point you just quit playing.

As for me, for a business (CCP) with a game where there’s no safepoint or go back option, loss of connection is big issue on their side and it’s displeasing.

Hope someone check into it and do something for people who nicely ask for something to be done … but I feel they are just keeping squezing the lemon from it’s juice …

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Being further north, you are more prone to this…especially as the Sun is now at solar maximum for outbursts, which it is every 11 years…

https://www.spaceweather.com/

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Can you explain how you got to this conclusion?

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He is not the only one. I have tested my internett and there has never been a problem with my ISP when I disconnect

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If I need to in 2024 …
If you lose connectivity only with 1 entity, here Eve Online, and all the rest work PERFECTLY FINE
What conclusion do you get ?
If you say to their customer team, hey, I lost ship because your having an issue and they constantly blamed all the world and never saying oh sorry, we’re having issue here …

It look bad

I even tested my connectivity with a tierce party and got 50mbp/s

So … still want to question my point and all the others saying same issue ?

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Lets say that you go to work in a car. You leave the house, at some point in that journey you get stuck in traffic because of an accident, and now the road is pretty much closed. Because of that you’ll arrive late at work. Are you going to blame your work location for the fact that you’re late? No, it’s the route that you took that had the traffic and caused the delay.

Depending on WHERE along your route this accident happened will affect how many others will have the same issue. If it happened very close to your home it’s only going to affect people in your small area (or perhaps other people who are using your route as a pass trough). The closer that accident happened to where your work location is, the wider the area is that will be affected and the more people will go “yeah I also go stuck” followed by “see, it’s the company’s fault”.

And now you know why that last bit makes no sense because if it WAS the company being the issue ( the accident happened on company location) then EVERYONE would have the same issue and then the forums and Reddit would be on fire. But that’s not the case, it only affects SOME (and that might be quite a lot, but still not everyone).

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possible routing issue

download speed has nothing to do with it, the fact that you even bring it up shows you don’t understand the issue. Which is fine, not everyone needs to understand the technical bits behind the stuff they use but then perhaps don’t say silly stuff. Especially not if you do it to try and get your ship replaced because it’s very obvious.

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Having the same issue. Eve disconnects, several times a day/night. Nothing else is affected and still online.

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Did you read my original post?

I am listening to over 100 players daily, from all parts of the world since I am in one of the larger alliances comms for perhaps two thirds of the worlds timezones.

So, a US player disconnects on all his chars at the very second all my chars disconnect.
Do we drive the same road to work? No. We’re not even on the same continent.

That’s why I was curious, because this is happenining several times a day, with people all over the world disconnecting at the exact same moment as me.

So, “the road accident” has to be somewhere very close to London or IN London itself.
Which makes me even more curious. How is this possible?

Most of the rest of the world’s essenatial businesses could not and would not accept this level of disconnects - and it has never happened to me before in now almost exavtly 10 years of playing EVE.

So again, my curiosity is raised - is this something that has to do with CCPs choice of servers,
or is it “just me” again - is it some kind of “net neutrality” breach “thing”?

Because again, essential businesses could not and would not be able to accept just “randomly” losing connection over and over again - many businesses are depending on constant split second accuracy in say stock market changes or whatever.

So why is internet connection THIS much worse for gamers in 2024, compared to all the years since 2015 when I began playing??

So for the past week dozens and dozens of people are experienceing disconnects at the exact same time - half a dozen times a day - for over a WEEK.

So I’m curious - is this some kind of “slow” hidden DDOS thing attacking servers that are right in the path of both a US and a European path of servers?
Or is this a poorly chosen server company provider?

Some people informed a few years back that Cloudflare was one of the servers that handled EU european connections through a server park in the Netherlands - I’m not sure if this is the case or if it ever was - but I seem to remember that people using VPNs into Europe or inside Europe used that Cloudflare server - or had to , again, I am not sure if this information is correct, but is it possible that someone keeps severing that server parks load , either malisciously or because they are prioritizing non-gamers connections and just unload excess serverload when their servers get too busy?

This is what I want to get to the bottom of - nothing more.
I’m not here to throw CCP under the bus - I just want a stable connection.

Sincerely.

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No, because then everyone would have it

No, has nothing to do with it

It’s not, for most gamers (including EVE players) it works just fine.

It’s going to be something like that. For whatever reason some of the people who end up on the same “node” (which CAN come from different continents because it all gets funneled) get in trouble because that node is faulty or because the connection to/from that node is faulty. This is somewhere on that road (to keep the analogy going) but it’s not CCP or any node closest to them as it would then affect way more people.

Whatever it is, it’s NOT CCP’s doing, it’s not their fault and they have no way to fix it. All they can do is gather information from the different people affected, from that figure out which node they all go through that makes them drop to then pretty please ask the owner of that node to fix his stuff, which generally is met with a “go away” and then several weeks later (because they get more and more angry customers and get sick and tired of it) they fix it. Or it gets rerouted AROUND the problem.

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