I don’t see any evidence for that claim. In fact if you look at the amount of PLEX traded that is actually stable.
I agree, I never said that.
Yes, but no one care unless you want to make an argument that a significant amount of PLEX is created this way. You repeatedly refused to address this point which makes me believe you only use this as a distraction.
That doesnt mean more PLEX is being bought from CCP. It could also be existing ingame stockpiles being sold off. Infact that is the most likely case, given that the price keeps on rising, ever faster.
Im glad. This shows you too are questioning the assumptions we used to hold true in EVE, but either never really had evidence for, or have changed due to EVE changing.
Im trying to make a point about what PLEX is, and isnt.
We dont know how many PLEX are introduced by Buddies, but I would argue its more than you might think over the years. I myself have always used the Buddy program when creating an alt account. Havent you? Anyone with any sense, has.
This is not a distraction, and I dont understand what you think it could be a distraction from. I dont have some hidden agenda.
Why is that the most likely case and how did this stockpiles came to be in the first place?
You try to distract from the obvious observation that the PLEX in the market had to come from somewhere. The buddy program is not relevant, it can’t seriously account for all the PLEX in the market.
The PLEX market exists, therefor at some point, and it does not even matter when, people purchased PLEX and sold them to get ISK. They traded $ for ingame advantages. To pretend that all this is just an assumption because some PLEX may have been introduced from the buddy program is a ridiculous argument without the slightest evidence presented and a simply distraction so you don’t have to acknowledge this simple observation about the PLEX market.
I’m not sure if you do this on purpose or not. But discussions with you just become really annoying because you do this stuff all the time.
Its most likely the case, since PLEX supply is not meeting demand, and hence price rises. As to how those stockpiles came to be in the first place, its because players understood the value of PLEX as an investment, and bought them off the market but DID NOT SINK THEM.
Ergo, CCP lost control of PLEX value, to players.
Players control the amount of PLEX in the game, not CCP.
This is ■■■■■■■■, and you know it. The impact of the Buddy program is in all cases relevant when discussing PLEX. Nobody, ever, certainly not me, has claimed that ALL PLEX was sourced from the Buddy program. Why do I even have to state that.
Are you deliberately trying to piss me off? You have.
Or are you really this stupid? I think you are.
Show me where I, or anyone else, has ever claimed that ALL PLEX came from Buddy program.
Wow, you get personal pretty fast if you start to lose an argument.
Fact is, the PLEX market exist and the amount of traded PLEX is stable. There is no shortage of PLEX, you completely failed to demonstrate that so far. Higher prices do not imply that, just that the ISK loses value relative to $ and there may be many reasons.
As for the source of PLEX in the game. We can safely assume they come from players who purchase advantage with $. There is not a single reason to assume the quantities generated from the Buddy program have any impact.
Maybe if you can concentrate for a minute on the discussion and don’t try to destract with ridiculous assumptions we may actually get somewhere in this thread one day.
I made two observations of your behavior.
Either you are stupid, or trying to piss me off.
This is patently and demonstrably false. PLEX is not stable. Its escalated in price far beyond that o any other commodity in EVE, all others of which are unrelated to CCP services.
Jesus christ, man. Do you not understand basic supply/demand?
Teckos has shown that isk inflation is nowhere near the rate of increase in PLEX price.
Again, wtf are you smoking. Every time Ive subbed an alt account via buddy, I received a free PLEX. So has everyone else that had any sense.
More ■■■■■■■■.
Again, it depends on whether you are trolling, or are genuinely this stupid.
Ive been concentrating on this discussion since it began.
Im not the one distracting from it, you are by repeating nonsense and having to be repeatedly corrected on it.
Love how you completely tried to “distract” from the fact you accused me of assuming ALL PLEX comes from Buddy program. Wtf is wrong with you.
Then feel free to demonstrate it. All you do is throwing around wild assumptions without any evidence to back them up or to show if they are even relevant for the discussion.
Look at PLEX price increase over x years.
Do you call that a stable price?
The price of PLEX just reflects the value of ISK to $. The amount of traded PLEX is a far better indicator of the PLEX market stability and it remains completely stable. There is no shortage of PLEX.
For the third time.
Isk inflation is not significant, and nowhere near the increase in PLEX price, as shown by Teckos.
I dont know what you think you are arguing, but its patently false, whether you see that or not.
As above, nothing is “stable” about the PLEX market. No other commodity has seen such dramatic rises in price.
PLEX, like all other commodities, is determined by supply/demand.
Its abjectly clear that demand is continually outstripping supply, hence the rise in prices. That means that PLEX is not being introduced to the market at sufficient rates to meet demand, which means people are NOT buying more PLEX from CCP, and also that existing PLEX is being withheld from the market.
Again, are you trolling or are you really this stupid.
Show me where I, or anyone else, said that ALL PLEX is from Buddy program, as you previously claimed.
Uhhh…wut?
What is a “mature” SP farm?
Why would the owner of “mature SP farms” not be buying PLEX?
Seems to me that is precisely what they would do.
Remember, every PLEX bought for ISK was previously bought for cash from CCP.
Unless you contend that there are so many PLEX sitting in people’s PLEX vaults/hangars that CCP is no longer going to be selling PLEX and the only source will be this limited supply that exists in game.
Of course I consider that conjecture wildly laughable…sorry.
The Tooth Fairy?
No, not really. Even if my 94 year old grandmother buys PLEX I don’t think CCP would really care all that much…and my grandma doesn’t even have a computer, let alone an EVE account.
Yes, all of the thousands of PLEX in game came from the Buddy PLEX system and events. Sure…okay, no not really. 
Well…
Well, if I am reading the data off Fuzzworks…far more than that
That is just for the Forge.
Nope. PLEX have risen about 67% in the last year, the price of a Macharial has risen by 116% in the same time period. Clearly Machariels will kill the game!
You are the only one here talking about inflation. I never talked about that at all. Inflation would mean everything would become more expensive, which is not the case.
PLEX is a special item as it is bound to RL value. So it’s price can change based on the value of ISK relative to $ and that has nothing to do with inflation. That is why the ISK price for PLEX is a bad metric to determine supply and demand and why you have to look at the amount of traded PLEX which seems to be constant.
False. Buddy PLEX and event rewards where not bought from CCP.
The age, sex or child status of the purchaser is not relevant.
The market segment is.
Have you ever bought PLEX from CCP?
How much and how often?
Again, the fallacy that anyone has claimed that ALL PLEX came from the Buddy Program. You are lying.
Show me.
In other words, we should be thinking of an exchange rate…
Feel free to show us how this is in any way relevant by providing some actual numbers instead of just constantly using this silly simple distraction to avoid addressing the argument which was made
Isk cost of PLEX is the only relevant metric.
It is determined by supply/demand, which determines the amount traded.
PLEX price for cash has not changed.
PLEX is rising due to inadequate supply to meet demand, which intrinsically means either, or both:
-People are not buying more PLEX from CCP.
-Players are not sinking enough PLEX ingame, due to it being held in stockpiles.
Is it? If PLEX is 2mil today and 2mil a year ago but 10 times the amount gets traded per day that would be an irrelevant metric? Really?
The amount traded over the last year staid constant. So no problem then, the PLEX market is stable.
No one cares
There is no reason to make those assumptions. At all.
First off we don’t know where those PLEX come from. You assert it is with certainty. I don’t know that this is actually the case. For all I know CCP has been using PLEX from accounts that have been seized for RMT and other violations.
Why?
No, but I did buy GTCs. A few and years ago when I was a poor noobie. Now I am a purchaser of PLEX for ISK. Now I am the one putting ISK into the wallets of those selling PLEX bought from CCP.
You are the one banging on this drum. There are well over 1.5 million PLEX currently on the market in game if I read Fuzzworks right. Did they all come from the buddy program? If so…why are there not thousands more players? Events? I doubt it. It seems far more reasonable that those PLEX, except for possibly a trivial amount, were bought from CCP for RL cash.
I tool the lowest price in the period as the denominator and the most recent price as the numerator.
You proved my point. Thanks.
Yet the price is not, ergo, not stable.
Its relevant because it composes a significant aspect of how PLEX is introduced to the game. If PLEX purchase price was raised, or lowered, EVERYONE would care, you mental midget.
Gives reasons to assume them as fact
Receive reply there is no reason
DURRRR
Not if we are talking exchange rates…
It is a bit more tricky than that. We are talking about 2 markets here, one out of game and the other in game. The out of game market will influence the in game market, and vice-a-versa.
This is contradictory. If people are “not buying enough PLEX from CCP” then that would shift the supply curve inwards and result in a price increase. But before you declare victory, the claim that people are not sinking enough PLEX out of the game suggests that in game demand is flagging. If that is the case this would suggest a price decrease.
Further, even if you are correct, that people are not buying as many PLEX from CCP and this results in a higher price…it should result in PLEX that were being stockpiled re-entering the market as people respond to the higher in-game prices and thus PLEX would be sunk out of the game as people used them.
Pretty much, looking at the data on Fuzzworks indicates that there has always been 1.25 million PLEX or more on the market for the last year. Further there does not appear to be a trend in either direction.
