I don’t see how it matters if I personally buy PLEX
Where do you think PLEX comes from if not bought from CCP?
1, The buddy plex is a marketing scheme which rewards someone for introducing someone else to the game. If all goes to plan in the buddy scheme then Eve gets another player and the person who introduced them gets some plex, I cant really say this has happened often and if it has then ccp will be earning money. the buddy plex amounts you mention are almost irrelevant and would have no effect on the entire market. Free sub/plex is given to any player who finds other players on behalf of ccp.
2, If Event Plexs were seized from banned accounts then someone has still paid for them, this is a basic point which im not going to debate with you about.
TLDR: It does not matter how buddy plex were generated due to them being used for marketing purposes, if sucessful ccp earn more money from the buddy’s subscription if he stays in-game. If event plex are from banned accounts then they are already paid for, another point im not going to debate.
It matters WHO is buying PLEX.
I asked you a question. Is understanding my motives a pre-requisite for you to answer it?
Have you bought PLEX, or not?
If so, how many and when?
Also, as stated above, not all PLEX is paid for. Buddy PLEX isnt and neither where the event PLEX.
It matters, as they where not paid for.
Ergo, the “All PLEX is paid for” myth, is false.
Buddy plex is only rewarded when the Buddy buys a subscription using real money…
And event PLEX is a tiny, tiny amount that is directly contrable by CCP itself. Or do you honestly think that event Plex alone can sustain those SP farms?
So you still haven’t said anything to show that this:
Isn’t complete nonsense.
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Incorrect, and Ive already addressed this.
- Buddy program no longer requires a paid sub, it can also be activated with PLEX or GTC. All that matters, is that the account goes Omega, no matter how.
- The PLEX to the inviting Buddy is generated for free. It costs that Buddy nothing. The only cost is on the part of the invitee, and that is either as a sub or by sinking 500 PLEX. neither of which pay for the PLEX granted to the inviter Buddy.
We dont know the quantity, nor is it relevant.
The fact remains that not all PLEX ingame, is paid for.
The myth that “All PLEX is paid for” is false and busted.
They get created as a reward because someone subscribed, so they are payed for, namely by the guy who subscribed.
To be eligible for rewards, the new Recruit account needs to be activated and the account Omega fee for the Recruit account received by CCP. The Recruit account Omega fee may not be paid using Direct Debit, any in-game currency or other game credits, including (but not limited to): PLEX, CD Keys, including CD Keys or CD-Key type Starter Packs purchased or received from non-CCP sources and online stores such as, but not limited to: Amazon Starter Pack and Game Stop
But yes, not all PLEX is paid for, there is a portion given out by CCP directly. This changes nothing about any self sustaining nature of SP farms.
But the PLEX itself, is not paid for.
This isnt rocket science.
CCP generates a free PLEX that is awarded to the Buddy.
It has impact on whom will buy sub/PLEX once the numerous SP farms started around the time of the Injector change, reach maturity.
The “self-sustaining” part is misleading.
You still havent answered.
Have you ever bought PLEX, and if so, how much and how often?
So far nobody in this thread has reported to have bought PLEX, ever.
So you think the amount of PLEX generated this way is so huge that it allows you to completely ignore the rest of what I was saying which is:
A lot of player purchase advantages, if they would not there would be no PLEX market.
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No. My post says exactly what it says.
Not all PLEX is paid for. That is a fact.
As to players purchasing advantages from CCP, what exactly do you mean?
But who cares that not all Plex is paid for?
Players are purchasing PLEX from CCP to trade them for in-game advantages, like ISK, SP, etc. Obviously there are a lot of people doing this otherwise there would be no PLEX market. Except if you think that a majority of the PLEX on the market is generated in the buddy program.
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If you dont internalize that fact, you will misconstrue the PLEX situation.
Is there?
Do you have any proof?
The rise in PLEX price indicates that PLEX purchases from CCP have not increased to match ingame demand.
Ive never bought one.
You’ve never bought one.
Who is buying them, and at what rate?
Why are you dancing around my question? Where do you think the majority of the PLEX on the market comes from? Do you think the buddy program is responsible for them? If not then that would mean they come from players which do not use them for game-time but sell them for ISK to purchase in-game advantages.
Do you have any proof?
The ISK price is actually a bad indicator for that. I would say the amount of traded ISK would give a much clearer picture about how much PLEX are in the market and if the amount is decreasing.
Players are buying them, except if you want to make the argument that they are mainly created by the buddy program, for which there is no reason to assume. We have to look at the traded amount obviously.
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This recent stuff interests me. As a new and new-ish player, I certainly bought old-PLEX, from that EVE Radio site (is it still operating?). Their deals were more attractive than those of CCP.
I bought them in bundles of 6. I used them for just generally buying/replacing ships, mods, and ammo. As a solo suicide-ganker I spurned PvE and was determined not to touch James 315’s SRP because I figured that since people had donated that money, I had a responsibility not to take it unless I really needed to.
Later, I stopped buying old-PLEX. It did seem very expensive to me, given that I’d had no pay rise since 2010 (UK austerity) and my living costs had increased enormously.
Now, I look at the granular version and think yes, it’s more flexible, but the price is still horrible!
If I go to Jita right now with the goal of purchasing 500 plex I am very sure there will be more than enough. Infact there will be 10s of thousands of them all competing for the first sale. So the supply matches demand many times over.
If demand was greater than supply then I’d go Jita and find none on the market.
Why are you so focused on these points Salvos? I mean come on you really can’t see that buddy plex would be like throwing a glass of water into the Atlantic ocean and expecting there to be a visible difference.?
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Assumedly, the majority of existing PLEX has been bought from CCP
We dont know the exact ratio of Buddy PLEX vs bought PLEX.
Im sure there is still PLEX sold 10years ago either held on accounts or continually cycling through the market without actually being sunk.
Yeah, Ive noticed you try the isk inflation argument, but as shown in great detail by Teckos, isk inflation is very small., and certainly nowhere near the increase in PLEX price.
In anycase, PLEX price is a matter of supply/demand, and that the price is continually rising indicates that supply is not meeting demand, ergo, more PLEX is not being bought.
Yeah. Obviously.
Sorry if I went over your head, but I specifically meant WHICH players, and more importantly, are they buying more.
TLDR:
- I am contesting the assumption that more PLEX is being bought from CCP, the higher PLEX price rises.
- Not all PLEX has been paid for. This is a fact. The myth that its all been paid for, hasnt been true for years, and needs to be removed from discussion as such.