PLEX is very expensive right now thread

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1319

I am in full agreement.

However my original point was, which I had forgotten but always knew, that there are PLEXs generated that arent actually paid for by the Buddy program.

Its largely academic, but the “All PLEXs are paid for” myth isnt true.
Something about it has always chafed me, and now I remember why.
Im pretty good at comprehending complex systems on an intuitive level, but it takes time for my brain to figure out what exactly is not fitting into it.

I may not be as good at it as I like to think, but Im not stupid by any measure.
Systems and order are of great interest to me. Perhaps my greatest intellectual interest.

I “feel” when something doesnt fit the gestalt, even though sometimes I dont immediately know exactly why.
Eventually, and I mean this seriously, my mind reports back to me with a report/conclusion, almost like an employee at a company knocking on my door with their report on what was the ill-fitting piece in the puzzle/tetris, and why.

The above is, no joke, how I experience the process. Its amazing how much a mind can process without one even having to consciously pay attention to it. I go about my daily routines, and suddenly my mind reports “hey boss, we figured out what was stinking, here is our analysis, complete with diagrams.”

PS: Ive been tested for Autism. Negative. I’m just that eccentric, it seems.

Same as, which I pointed out earlier, we dont have any actual evidence that a higher PLEX price leads to more PLEX purchases from CCP. We ASSUME it, but we dont actually know if its true.

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1320

I agree. But that doesnt mean the confiscated PLEXs are re-introduced via the Buddy program.

From a book-keeping perspective, I suppose CCP could write off the confiscated PLEX as re-issued through the Buddy program.

On a technical level, to be a real hair-splitter, it depends on whether the unique tracking codes/identity of specific confiscated PLEX are sent to Buddy program achievers. I very much doubt that is the case.

Far simpler to just generate a new PLEX to Buddies, and re-introduce the confiscated PLEX to the player market at whatever trickle rate CCP has decided on.

1321

I’ve suggested you check your serotonin levels which you ignored. If it turns out to be that consult your doctor about taking Valerian or chamomile which are both natural herbs.

Serotonin is what keeps us happy and thinking logically and it protects our nervous system. I guess you can work out what happens if one lacks serotonin.

1322

That’s how the brain works. There are commands you give, the brain processes them, and depending on how healthy your brain is it will spit outa response sooner/later and better/worse. It’s normal.

You can help your brain by shutting off backgroundmusic/noise/tv chatter, so it has less crap to process away and has more power for doing better things. (Ignorance, as in “i don’t even notice” takes away a huge amount of processing power, because “ignoring something” is an active process, like a filter). Sunlight helps as well, just like relaxation and calmness. A mindful mind is pretty much the opposite of a totalitarian mind.

Or, easier:

i once had a talk with a friend of mine who has some serious math abilities, and he describes it perfectly easy to understand:

I have two numbers and i know what i want to do with them. Then the result pops up.

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1323

sigh…

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1324

Yes, sunlight/vitamin d will help to keep your mood good.

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1325

This is all nice and interesting but what if you emptied all your banned users plex stock? You will stop giving it away? You will stop buddy program?

Yes, we know: there is many bots and potential banned accounts. But you always have to consider that this stock is not unlimited.

1326

You’re free to think about this. i certainly won’t. vOv

1327

From the top of my head, two reasons:

  1. You didn’t train your brain properly, aka just doing math all day wnd making it a game, whenever you can.

  2. More likely due to the blank state: you’re waiting for the result, which puts focus on the process of achieving the result, which in turn means your brain can’t do it by itself.

The greatest power of the brain is the ability to interrupt any running process simply by putting attention to it. It stops, because you order your brain to look at the part that should be doing the processing, which causes that part to do nothing but “wait”.*

This is true for all brain functions you use every day without noticing, like memory requests, habits, even talking. Literally everything, except fully autonomous stuff (which isn’t 100% true, but whatever). This also connects to what the conspiracy nutjobs actually talk about, when they say people are sleeping, but i’m not going to dive into this.

Enough off topic for this glorious thread.

*PS: “waiting” is probably the most fascinating activity ever, because it allows easy experiments with ones perception of time.

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1328

Comprehending complex systems is more involved than that.
Our brains are the most capable computers on this planet, in everyone’s head (some more than others), performing simultaneous calculations of various forms far faster, in greater quantity, and with better quality, than any AI.

Thanks for your and Aaron’s advice, but though I myself deviated into describing my own process of utilizing my brain to detect variances in order, its not the topic of the thread.

A) Free, new PLEX is introduced into EVE via Buddy program, and EVE events.
The myth of “Every PLEX is paid for” is not true.

B) We ASSUME that the higher PLEX price rises, the more people will buy PLEX from CCP. We however dont have any evidence of that, and the ever increasing price of PLEX ingame indicates that the rate of PLEX purchase has not increased, at least not commensurate with demand.

We musnt think of these issues along old tropes/gestalts.
So much has changed, so quickly, that we need to re-evaluate our assessment of PLEX.

1329

How so? Do you realize that EVERY PLEX on the market is there because someone wanted to buy an advantage with $. There is no other way how they get there. So if people where not interested in dumping $ into the game for advantages there would be no PLEX market at all. The reason that the PLEX prices increase is more likely because there is more ISK and it is easier to make ISK than ever. The price of PLEX is not an indication of how much people are purchasing and not purchasing PLEX, but ONLY how much value it has compared to ISK.

No, I never did. I dislike the idea very much that it is even possible to pay for advantages in a game. I have 1 sub which I maintained for over 10 years now, then for two years I had 3, but skill extraction allowed me to reduce it to one again (could reduce to zero, but I still value the game, ,so I think paying 15$ per month is ok).

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1330

The “SP out of thin air” argument is pretty stupid because SP farms do just that: make SP out of thin air. I would rather have skill injectors be directly bought with PLEX, instead of the skill extractor system we have now.

The main effect of skill extractors is having a few people earn billions of isk by making dozens of SP farms. Ok it also allow older accounts to stop paying subscription if they have enough skills because they can just sell the skills to buy plex.

The primary argument against direct PLEX to SP conversion is rather bogus once you realize this is already happening.

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1331

You are forgetting about the SP that an alpha can train while not being sub’d. 907,200 iirc

1332

I get what you are saying. Both you and I went through that crucible…and it undoubtedly affected how we view and play the game. SP injectors definitely could change that and it could be for the worse, I am just not seeing too much of it…at least yet.

1333

No.
Buddy PLEXs are not paid for, and neither where the event PLEXs.

Case closed.

1334

Mark my words.
Injectors are killing this game faster than any change, ever.
We are on borrowed time. Once the numerous SP farms mature, as calculated from the date injectors where introduced, the result will be catastrophic to CCPs sub/PLEX sales.

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1335

And this would occur because…people with SP farms are buying PLEX in game–i.e. supporting that market…so…what?

Your narrative seems to be rather…well…weak.

1336

Read.

When the SP farms mature, there will no longer be need for sub/PLEX purchase from CCP for the farm owner, in perpetuity.

Do you have any evidence that the rate of PLEX purchase from CCP has increased?

1337

I have no idea what you are talking about since SP farms need to sub with PLEX every month and someone has to buy those PLEX from CCP.

1338

Are they though?

Have you bought PLEX from CCP?
If so, how many and how often?