Possible Market Bot Discovered

Here is the issue. I found an item on the market that was being bought for 20 mil ISK through a Market Buy order and was being sold for 13.5 mil ISK through a Market Sell order. So I purchsed seven items to fulfill the Buy order.

When I sold the first item in the same station, where the 20 mil Market Buy order was posted, the item sold to a Market Buy order four jumps away for 21,140 ISK. I have done enough order fulfilling in Jita to know that the order in the station is always filled first, which makes me think this some type of botting activity because the Buy order four jumps away now has a component that is worth 8,071,000 ISK in Jita that they only paid 21,140 ISK for.

How is this done? I’m not certain, because the Buy for 20 mil should have been filled in the station and not four jumps away seeing as how I am limited to buying and selling in stations and cannot remote sell.
It could be that the scripting for the Buy order four jumps away at 21,140 ISK is actually the 20 mil Buy order in station. Instead of the orders for both being fulfilled, the order gets sent to some bot account that exists in the ether of the servers. Neither amount for the item in the Buy order reduced by one, which the station four jumps away should have reduced to 79 items but remained at 80 items.

What also makes me think this was a bot market account is the name of the player buying the item four jumps away which is Gallente Citizen 1275687558, which we all know is a telltale sign of Bot Activity as the bot player doesn’t want to be readily recognizable. If it is a bot market account the player would probably be Caldari based as the Caldari value nothing more than ISK and will do anything to get a lot of it without spending very much.

Here are some screen shots.

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You cut off the minimum quantity column.

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After that one I simply don’t bother analyzing this and simply think that you are jumping to conclusions that fit for your arguments.

Do you even know how those names are generated?

And as said above, minimum quantity column is best bet so far.

Read that skill description once again…

Also, click show info on that guy in game, hamburger menu (top left of the show info window), report bot. CCP will decide if it is bot. And you even will get email back if you where right. CCP won’t take actions based on forum post and most of CCP employed don’t read forums.

I might be bit harsh on you, but only because you assume bad things without proper knowledge of mechanics. That result in you learning incorrect things. When you see something suspicious, just hit that “report bot” button. It cost you nothing and is no risk to players that did nothing wrong. Also, first checks are done by computer so it don’t bring more work to GM’s

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that’s not how this works

none of your screenshots show anything that suggests bot activity.
what it does show is that you have no idea how the “Minimum Quantity” setting on buy orders works.

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TL;DR dryson gets baited on a free 6.5m flip, scams himself by selling for an absurdly low amount, tries to pass it off as bot activity to get his 13.5m refunded.

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DrysonBennington

I quit reading when I saw this.

There is no minimum quantity that shows up in the Buyers section.

I have never had this problem in Jita. I have never changed the settings on how items are fulfilled based on Buyer’s requests. Not once have I been in a station in Jita fulfilling the Buyer’s order that plainly shows the order in station, suddenly fulfilling a Buy order four jumps away from a lot less then the station that has the same item being asked for by the Buyer.

You had better just check that.

When you open the regional market window, grab the RHS and pull to make the window wider. I suspect you will see two additional columns appear in the Buyers Section: “min volume” and “expires in”.

If not, you will need to find how to add them back.

1bn isk is $6, this dude is crying about losing 6 cents. Someone scammed him out of 6cents, call the space police.

I’ve taken 20bn ie $120 off people in ‘market manipulations’ & got a gf in a pm.

I suspect you are a troll bot, and anti Caldari stench of Gallente if I ever smelled it.
You bring accusation and no proof.
Failure of a moderate order, not worth noting.
Waste of time if any ever existed.
I should have simply replied with nou and been done with it.

Yes, that depends.

Market Bots were eliminated a few years ago. I do know that from when I started in 2006 all the way up until around 2015 or 2016 (can’t remember when CCP eliminated them), it was a huge, huge, huge problem. It really super sucked. I trained up a perfect Jita trader with Caldari standings grinding for weeks for like a year or something only to discover that people were cheating and there wasn’t any way to sell there anyway. That is because people were running scripts to automatically drop prices by .01 ISK 24/7. No way a human could compete and it was very extremely obvious. I complained about it for years.

My Jita trader has been a work for a few years now, when I have time to log, and you no longer see these .01 or 1 automated changes anymore. Now price drops are not matched for hours or even days because human players are having to manually adjust prices like it was always supposed to be. I applaud CCP for this. It was one of the worst things ever. But they certainly do look gone. I have not seen anything that even looks close to automation for a long time now.

.01 game is not measurement of a bot. It’s as dumb assumption as saying that guy that is online every time I’m online is a bot because he is always online…

You just needed two people competing for item and prices where changing every second. But that doesn’t make them bots

And changes to market was done on march 10. Not in 2015-2016.

Wow, has it really been that long? My estimate was way off. It’s hard to believe that it has been half a of a decade since CCP eliminated the market bot scripts. Hell, I think they were for sale on ebay at some point, that’s how common market bot scripts were.

I very extremely and clearly remember when you could not sell anything at all at Jita, because within minutes or seconds the bot scripts would drop the price by .01. It wasn’t an imagination or a fallacy. that’ what was actually going down and that is why CCP stepped in and did what was the only right thing to do and shut those down.

If market bots still exist I would suspect they are extremely rare. I have not seen any instances that would even cause suspect well,in years. I don’t recall when CCP fixed that, but they did fix it.

There are plenty of other ways a bot could still be used to exploit the market and the changes in March would not have had any effect on them at all.

An average player understands little about how the market would operate but the 0.1 ISKing is something almost every novice player knows about so it was an easy excuse for a target and a change we all would notice having any perceivable effect.

Mission accomplished everybody, we got’em!

Market change was not introduced to fight bots. Same as roaming trigs in hisec in the beginning of invasion. Just because something has impact on current bot software, doesn’t mean it is main goal of the feature.

Players made them “bot killers” and only players.

I hope CCP will someday do something against market buy bots. I manually place thousands of buy orders per month… on most of them the buy bots offer the minimal isk more fully automized, in a fraction of a second, after me placing buy orders manually in public stations and putting the isk in the market system.

The bot offers are not placed in public stations as placed buy orders and the bots do not actually place a buy order on the public station for the region. The bot also does not place isk in the market, its not a normal placed buy offer. The bot buy offers are always active in less than a second, no matter which station or region.

Its going on for so many years now, please do something against auto offer bots @CCP_Dopamine

Its probably pro credit card, real money traders, doing it since years.

The intent behind these upcoming changes is to support a healthy and live open market, allowing competition to remain fair between players . The prohibited use of automation techniques used by malicious players on the in-game market is a frequent subject of discussion, so there is absolute commitment to fighting bots in New Eden.

Increasing the modification costs will mean that the strategy of always modifying every order as quickly as possible will quickly become unprofitable. Creating a more equal playing field for market users and handing the advantage back to those who make educated pricing calls is a clear statement of intent in the fight against botting.

Among these are orders that are being modified hundreds of times, with behavioral patterns that are very likely not human. With these changes, such excessive behavior will quickly lead these market-addicts to bankrupt themselves.

These changes will positively impact the market, and better support fair competitive trade between players . Once again, the commitment to fighting botting in all its forms in EVE is absolutely firm, and moving forward with these changes means that the market and the player behavior involved will be closely monitored once these changes are live and in your hands.

I agree, I don’t think the changes were made to fight bots alone. It became obvious that this would implement a system that is biased towards those with more wealth and experience than the average player and give a clear advantage to push any new players out of getting started in any kind of trade career.

It has created a new age of market cartels where it is much easier to ferment artificial demand, horde supply, price gouging and manipulation but most importantly an easier and quicker way to run anyone not as wealthy or heavily invested into any market at a loss they cannot afford even before they begin.

Before these changes anyone could set up a market order and other than the time to continuously maintain their activity in the market it cost them very little to compete. Now there are many options to kill competition and cement further control on any market.

It became abundantly clear to me they don’t want the majority of players to become independently wealthy by getting started in market trading early on and overtime. It is much more of a benefit that CCP let a few massively wealthy players continue to be in control and obtain massive power over the markets rather than the potential of thousands of players no longer needing to pay for their subscriptions or buy PLEX.

Not only does it prevent the loss of subscriptions or PLEX purchases but it also supplies the biggest buyers of PLEX who will continue to buy up and maintain the higher value of PLEX while pushing down the value of skill trading which also allowed anyone who can afford Omega to not only pay for their PLEX through selling their extra SP but make a profit.

Combine this together with the daily skilling spree and log in rewards, the recent drop in PLEX prices because of the war bringing more buyers back into the game the subsequent purchase and soaking up of any PLEX at a lower value by wealthy players and continuous spam of additional Injectors into the game and now a player will even lose ISK as the price of PLEX continues to push higher and the price of Injectors continues to push down while they buy them up at a discount costing the players who produce them more than they are worth selling.

Which isn’t a terrible thing altogether. It isn’t healthy for the game if a player who no longer needs to train further skills can simply gain Omega time and not only indefinitely pay for further Omega time but also profit simply selling their additional SP. This metric doesn’t bode well when you take in the fact some players may possess hundreds of accounts and introduce thousands of Injectors continuously to the market on their own.

I am not complaining either way but I think we should stop trying to pretend these changes are to make the market fair for everyone and have anything to do with combating bots in the game.

You’re welcome to throw away your ISK trying if that is what you think. There will always be someone left to pick up the bill after at a discount and release you from the nightmare that is trading on the market for the average player.

There’s a whole lot of speculation here about what “bots” are…

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