I don’t doubt the levels of autism thou
Tastes like “ECM is mean” reasoning again.
So why don’t you have someone on the exit instantly killing the rookie ship every time it appears? All this whining is nothing more than “I don’t want to have to defend myself, CCP make it easier to win”.
How is the rookie ship a problem when you exit the arena?
Tags you so you can’t get straight back in. Remember the contest was based on total wins.
Gorski, it’s stupidly easy. Just start in an random empty or your own wormhole. No locator agent in the world would find you. Or in a null system, gates bubbled, …
It is easier than that - just have the GMs ban anyone who hassles you.
Sadly, the way of the ignorant instant gratification kiddies.
EDIT: actually I experienced it myself, when hunting the abyss runner under suspect flag with locator agents. Most just quit after they lost their bling ship, but few moved to deep nullsec or wormholes. So even those carebears were able to learn something.
Nope, there’s a war on.
There are plenty of real world analogies to what happened here, from the Astros’ World Series win, to Barry Bonds home run records, etc.
Sure, Cable may be a great solo PvPer, but what he did to win this is marred by the fact that he colluded and openly admits it.
Lame argument. Eve is supposed to be a sandbox. I mean, do you have any idea how much crappy, meta, scammy stuff Goons has done? Are we claiming that is “cheating”?
I understand and agree with what you are saying… even the last bit about the achievement being ‘marred’ in the eyes of people in light of the ‘collusion’. I found the collusion or ‘cheating’ really f%%$ing annoying. But please let me properly expand on what I think are the finer points. Often people will form too simplistic a point of view and miss the more sophisticated analysis which is the CORRECT analysis.
The main three points that I can think of - which once factored in give a much more accurate POV - are as follows:
1) Queue acceleration effect. From time to time the abyssal queue slowed down or stopped working due to a low head count in the matchmaker pool. Hence Sending in alts accelerated the matchmaking, and gained the sender more REAL fights, not only dummy fights. I did not send in alts personally, but because others did it added oil to the matchmaker and got me a degree of dummy wins from their alts, and more REAL fights too. Accelerating the queue was necessary for the racking up of wins.
2) Real wins = total wins - dummy wins. Simply stated many of the top ten pilots would still be top ten if you adjusted their wins for dummy wins.
3) Cheating is legal. As it was legal to increment your bean counter with dummy wins against alts, everyone was doing it and in order to cancel out the advantage of this (and gain the accelerator as mentioned above) people wanting to win had no choice but to do it.
It - being any marring to the result, or irritation caused - is a symptom of the fact this was a testing quadrant. CCP probably left the event absent a collusion rule so they could iterate through different formats and form an understanding as to what causes it and what minimizes it. In the end after all data was gathered they simply just made a rule (or warning) against a certain type of alt use (I think).
(apologies for so many edits, precision demands)
This is what I said would happen, it’s a new fad that would fade. So many cried so much (thanks to all who did, it was very entertaining
) saying this would take away from pvp in the game to only now, have to stuff the sys with alts to even get it to work?
Incorrect logic. This is a common logical blunder. Just because EVE is a sandbox and makes scamming, betraying, stealing or cheating ‘unbarred’ and legal, it doesn’t mean that they are not still those things.
So by your description goons do cheat people or agreements, they are in those cases cheaters, and it is legal. One simple example proves my point, which is in game competitions. If the rule is you cant use implants, and someone does it anyway, then they are a cheater. But this doesn’t mean CCP needs to be notified, and EVE being a sandbox doesn’t make it not cheating.
Was Grid=fu cheating?
http://will.neoprimitive.net/grids/gridfumanual2.pdf
I still have to give Goons a pat on the back for that one!
I dont know much about it but in terms of placing it on a cheating scale, where on one side it isnt cheating and on the other side it is, Id say it is either close to cheating or is absolutely cheating. But this speaks nothing regarding whether it is cheating in the sense of breaking CCP’s rules.
But who didn’t think the proving grounds wouldn’t be abused?
Well based on weak rules, everybody should have not thought the proving grounds wouldn’t be abused… i.e. everyone should have expected all edges to be used and a rickety competition.
Competitions need rules to function. If for example CCP took away the format rule and made that ‘sandbox compatible’ i.e. not enforced, then you might enter an FFA arena using an incursus, only to find a RnK style pipe bomb trap, and the explanation from the pipe bombers would be ‘sandbox brah’.
Competitions need rules otherwise they dont work.
Yes, I know that. That is not my point.
CCP is outnumbered, what 5k to one when trying to come up with ways to break the game vs trying to stay ahead of it, the player base always finds a loophole/game mechanic/etc to defeat the sys. This was no different to me.
I agree it is a very hard challenge, harder than it is given credit for probably. And that is why I have with discipline concluded that CCP did not do too badly because the first quadrant of arena was a testing ground and they have now implemented what I think is reasonable rules based on what they have seen.
The key being, if they applied the no collusion rule too quickly then they would not have had chance to test and detect the situations it arose in and how they can format competitions so that the ‘queue accelerator’ wouldn’t be required, as well as being illegal. i.e. they apply the no collusion rule while also remedying what caused its need, i.e. we have healthy queue pools with lots of people, no dummys, and reasonable wait times / trigger conditions.
Is there enough ppl interested to make that viable?