Shuttle is the new go to scout. Is this reasonable?

Someone didn’t seem to get the memo since I’ve sometimes seen corvettes (not shuttles) hang around the gates. Also, they’re not really subtle because the 7 times in the last three weeks of this particular region when there were 3 or more people who raided the mining parties or someone running a scanned site, the corvette’s pilot shared a corp with one or all of the raiders.

How about “Should the amount of adaptation it takes to kill a shuttle be necessary given the availability of shuttles?”

Why not just have local available from anywhere while you’re at it then. :slight_smile: (teasing)

Oh I wish blackout was still in effect. I think null would be much more scary if local was out like in a WH.

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These newbros would die to smartbombs, throw their toys out of the pram, then quit eve

The fact that something is available for everyone doesnt mean its not broken.

Just imagine if there would be a ship that kills every other ship with 1 shot. Everyone would be able to use it so it wouldnt be broken right? Also blackout almost shut down half of eve so they HAD to roll it back.

The time and effort you have to put in to kill a shuttle is not in balance with its unintended scuting capabilities and its price tag.

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Cept your claims have already been debunked. Blackout shut people down because it showed them real quick that they aren’t as cocky as they thought without the omnipotence of local.

Yes, everyone can do it. So no side has an advantage as they can scout to their heart’s content. Smart peeps would set up SB camps to counter. End of story.

TLDR: You made a dramatic forum post for a non-issue.

You think its not an issue since you dont encounter it.
Nothing has been debunked here. You still cant make a single valid argument of why the Shuttle should be able to Scout with such high efficiency. Blackout shut people down because the game was garbage with it. It made no sense at all why local should be removed and it overpowered ships in a way it was never intended. And again… jsut becuse everyone can do something it doesnt mean its not broken. Thats really not hard to understand. You are one of the Forum guys who doesnt show any valuable argument on the topic jsut keep repeating this braindead ■■■■. Thats why i asked you multiple times to stop posting here.

I have not yet seen a valid argument why the shuttle should not be able to scout with such efficiency, especially as it is worse at scouting than alternatives in pretty much all factors but price.

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I guess shuttles are the new afk cloaky ships, they are so scary people might stay docked while they are in system. :upside_down_face:

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LOL or it showed how people relay on local instead of D-scan. It didn’t overpower ships. Merely made it more real. I do think local should exist for all security systems but not for null/WH/other spaces.

Nah I’ll keep posting. Because you’re simply wrong. Everyone can employ the tactic. Now, it depends on the skill of the scout to actually report back good intel. The shuttle by itself doesn’t do that LOL.

If it were a problem, you’d see big alliances complaining. But its crickets out here bub. Just you and your tears.

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Im not even sad or salty about this.

But theres is no reason why it should be what it is.
So unless there is a good reason why it is what it is then im fine with it but there isnt.
Giving them a high slot to allow fitting a Nullifier wouldnt make them less able to travel. But it would make them “worth” hunting down. If people want easy travel they can use an Interceptor. It doesnt take long to learn the skills. And we are talking about exclusively 0.0 if we ignore WHs. You dont need nullification in Low or HS. Anyone who wants to live in 0.0 should have at least 1 interceptor learned.
With in mind that you can set ur jump clone home station once a year remotely. So you cant even say that day 1 character are exluded (who shouldnt even be in 0.0) as they can jsut deathlone to the staging.

There is fundamentally no need for shuttles to have Nullification let alone the uninteded role of scouting they obtained.

We are making the game easier than ever and yet New player retention is still non existent. So who are we making it easier?
Skill on demand
Nullified Shuttles
Whats next? Ships on demand?
Oh wait we all know whats next. Spawning PVE content with carriers…

Also i dont know why in the frist place people wanted an “Easy to travel ship” when we already had Interceptors with nullification. Where did the shuttle come in? Why does it have nullification. It feels like what people wanted is FREE travel and not “Easy” as easy was already a thing.

Bro you have leaked salt all over this thread. At least keep it real. Both sides can use shuttle. Balance my friend.

Cry more tho. Its super amusing :smiley:

I don’t know where you are, but in Venal, last time I checked, shuttles went for 225k each.

Don’t know man,

I felt always naked without my guns and tackle mods .

Not my thing … no matter how cheap it is.

I disagree.

As I said in my first post, shuttles used to be useless in null and anyone who wanted to ‘shuttle’ their pod to a new location was using (nullified) interceptors instead.

CCP did a great job giving shuttles exactly what the shuttles needed to be useful in their intended purpose.

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“CCP did a great job tuning the shuttle into a free interceptor” is what you jsut said there.
If you actively live in 0.0 and have the need to travel a lot of jumps the least you can do is train for an Interceptor which already have the same capabilities of a shuttle. Leave shuttles to HS LS and add thema nice warp bonus. You can move around in HS LS quickly without the “I can also haul things” but leave them out of 0.0 where they are currently overabused. You would still have the way to travel fast and safe without any of the uninteded roles. Its not rocket science. If you cant understand this much please stop posting here.

Interceptors have long been used as shuttle, to the point that you think ‘flying nullified through space’ equals interceptors.

Interceptors have a combat role.

Shuttles have no combat capabilities, they’re only capable of shuttling your pod from point A to B. Cheap, and with good chance you do get to your destination, but not completely safe. Without nullification nobody used shuttles for shuttle purposes as everyone would get stuck in bubbles and killed.

If you want to intercept people, i.e. overtake people with superior warp speed and tackle them, you can use an interceptor. You cannot do that in a shuttle.

As such, both interceptors and shuttles are now functional for their intended purpose and are used for their intended purpose.

To conclude with your words:

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See? You cant understand it and i have asked you to stop posting here. You ignored it. The lack of ur understanding of what shuttles are capable as of now is saddening. The lack of understanding you have as to how 0.0 works the lack of understanding of the need to “Quickly travel in 0.0” is just plain sad and at the same time disturbing. That you as someone who play EVE online as someone who thinks they can think rationally of what game mechanics allow not understanging anything of it is deeply concerning. That there are players like you who tink they know game mechanics but understand nothing about it.

That the only tought you have is “But shuttle had no roles” “But interceptors are combat ships” The lack of correlation you make between such things.

I am sorry for you. Sorry for how ignorant you are and that you need to live with such a shallow mindset without actually thinking before you say anything. You simply cast away a valid argument to repeat the same 0 tought first thing came in mind. “But shuttles needed a role” And that “I needed to travel fast” You disregard the fact that having a realible way to travel wast was already achieved. You disregard the fact that shuttles with this change indeed FACTUALLY have gained unintended roles besides traveling. You fail to understand basic 0.0 mechanics you fail to understand that 0.0 is or should be the endgame which should not be easily traversed. You fail to understand that even tough Interceptros can in fact tackle it doesnt mean they cant as well travel fast. You fail to understand the risk vs reward of using a shuttle.

You simply do not understand any of this. And will again reply to this here even without understanding it.

No one thinks that flying with nullification equal to being a interceptor. Thats is solely the lack of understanding you have in the matter. Which you have repeatedly shown here.