Skiff Ungankable?

Industry Gameplay Center Mining & Extraction
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Just to add on to CowRocket’s post: mining ships are very capable of defending themselves. Naturally they don’t have any weapons fit, as the high slots are for mining, but a miner’s weapons are his drones.

Even a Hulk with a tank of paper has access to a flight of 5 drones (mediums if I recall correctly) and can fight off agressors.

I remember the first time I was flying a hulk, in null, which was a pretty expensive and dangerous thing to do. I warped it off to an ice belt 20 AU away and while in flight a neutral (hostile) T2 frigate jumped into system, saw the Hulk on dscan and landed in the ice belt right before me while I was still in warp…

Luckily I also had a Porpoise with remote shield reps warp in, which could keep the Hulk alive, while the drones of the two ships forced the Enyo off. A shame I didn’t have a warp disruptor, but warping off safely was good enough.

Mining ships can fight, mining boosters can repair. A fleet of mining ships is a dangerous foe, if they’re awake and ready to fight.

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Is it undocked?

Then it can die.

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Isn’t talos more expensive than a caracal?
I’ve never been a victim of a gank, so I don’t actually know what they use. I’ve been told to look out for caracals, thrashers, catalyst?
My area of highsec rarely has gankers. Just stories of ganks v0v

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Never? You haven’t lived …

Become a miner, travel to interesting solar systems, mine exotic minerals, meet surly, unsmiling pilots, and get blown up by them.

:mouse:

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I am a miner.
When I first started, I was warned about code etc… in rookie chat. I was advised to set up away from jita/caldari space. So I did, and in 3 years I’ve still never had contact with them, or any other gankers.
I’ve had stations blown up during wardec, but never lost a ship to wardec.
I’ve been killed in null, during alliance mining ops, but I wouldn’t call that a gank. I was in a rorq one kill, and a freighter the other.
Outside of alliance war, those are the only times I’ve died.

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Yes, they also out DPS them by a lot too. The Caracal isn’t a known gank ship, it doesnt have the short term high DPS needed.

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I would think any ship can be ganked. Be careful out there!

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People often complain about CODE and ganking miners but I think alot of them have not been around for the full history of EVE. I cant imagine some folks today if this was the PRE-CODE ERA before 2012.

  1. gankers get full insurance of ships lost
  2. the arty apoc one shot hulk killer and then the primo version Tornado released
  3. Any exhumer ONE-SHOT even in 1.0 space literally no defense no chance to survive
  4. even without boomerang exploit you could kill at least 2 macks ice mining with one catalyst and maybe a pod SOLO
  5. This was for solo gankers which was more prevalent but overall alot less ganking until Helicity Boson and Hulkageddon

They buffed barges/exhumers after hulkageddon and more group ganking but even prior the amount of tears/damage done by a single pilot SOLO would have todays miners in fits.

TL;DR CCP please revert back to 2008-2012!!!

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You forgot about smart bombing, that was a lot of fun.

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You’re forgetting one thing:

CONCORD used to be tankable.

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I would be interested in this as well. I’m coming back after 10 years and have a hulk and a skiff but after recent readings I’m thinking I should mine in a battleship or complete my carrier training and mine in that.

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If you really want to mine in a battleship like in the olden days, a Rokh still works pretty well.

[Rokh, Mining Rokh]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Large EM Shield Reinforcer II
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I

Mining Drone II x5
Hornet II x5

Well over 100K ehp, the main issue is the tiny cargo hold. You will need to stagger your mining lasers by a good margin as they will overfill the cargo hold by over 3 times if they all complete a cycle at once. Not remotely AFKable.

If a Rokh isn’t fancy enough for you, I present the mining Vindicator!

[Vindicator, Mining Vindicator]
Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Dread Guristas Co-Processor

Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large EM Shield Reinforcer I

Warrior II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Mining Drone II x5
Hornet II x5

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:rofl:

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If you want to passively mine, you should join a corp that has standing fleet support and operates in space they control, and will benefit from taxing your mining efforts. Safe but with a %cost.
You could easily max yield an orca and do well this way. ( and have access to better ore in some cases)

As a solo player, you should be alert to all danger. Knowing what areas gankers operate in (intel) is half the battle

Skiffs shine with maxed hull and mining drone skills, balanced tank/yield fit and in fleet with a command shield an yield boost. By itself its just an overpriced procurer

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On the contrary, Caracals are commonly used to scout and hull scan by the neutral security status account of the gank fleet.

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i been playing eve since 2012. i have never had a proc/skiff attacked. not just ganked but even an attempted gank.

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Thats because ganking is a myth.

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I thought it was bacause gankers only go after new players and xBluexx isn’t new anymore, so he’s safe.

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