hello
given the current spamming of all types of structures both in high sec and low\null sec does anyone else got the feeling that their price should have been double if not triple up?
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I dunno man. I donāt claim to know what the price should be. But Iāve been trying to afford something for my own operations and have found that even the cheapest one is beyond my means, as Iām not āspace rich.ā
Itās like with anything else. If you double or triple the price, the little guy is gonna get hurt, but the big guy isnāt gonna feel anything.
When I drive down the road, it is lined with Walmarts, Burger Kings, and whatever else. Maybe we should quintuple the prices of those things.
If you donāt like them, you can blow them up (the Eve stuff, not the real life stuff LOL).
These are just thoughts - nothing more.
The players who sell them decide on the price. I donāt see the problem with station spam, other than server load, and if that becomes a problem, CCP will step in and sort it out. Thatās the only thing that will result in CCP stepping in though.
They should not have been introduced in the first place.
Why not? Apart from asset safety, itās exactly what EVE players have been saying POSās should have been from the very beginning.
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I tend to think less NPC, and more PC, is better. This pertains to stargates and whatever else too, which Iām happy to see is being considered, as Iāve had the same idea for years.
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More PC is worse for EVE in general. The more PC control EVE got, the worse it feels in terms or gameplay, enjoyment and sustainability.
The citadel spam in Delve and Kimotoro, among other places, is hideous. The fact that citadels introduced the same idiotic gameplay mechanics, which hamper null sec since for ever are now also applied in high sec make things worse. The fact that citadels require huge fleets for attacks or defense, especially in null sec, with all the stupid server problems make them worse still. The more PC EVE gets, the more the stupidity of the players shows and that makes EVE less enjoyable.
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I donāt get it. If we just want NPCs, it doesnāt need to be a massively-multiplayer online game. Everybody can just run the game at home and interact with NPCs - no server required.
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Itās not about no player interaction, itās about these figments of player stupidity.
Wait. It IS either about player interactionā¦ or not. If you want NPCs, I say remove the server, NPC-ify everything, and we can just run the game at home. If you want player interaction, keep the MMO element, and PC-ify things more (player-owned stargates, etc). I donāt quite āgetā your approach.
No, you are hyperbolic. EVE felt more enjoyable and engageable before citadels were introduced, and it certainly had less tedium. And we had a lot more player interaction and content happening all over the universe, not all these anchored in place entities because of citadels or stupidly large lag fests because of one structure, and then have the āwarā aborted.
There was more player interaction before citadels, not less.
Iām uninterested in your assessment of whether there was more player interaction before, less player interaction before, amount of lag you think the game has, etc. Iām interested in your philosophy on what the game is supposed to be, and how certain things should be decided.
Is it supposed to be an MMO, player-driven kind of thing? Great! Exceptā¦ you donāt like player-owned structures? But you are fine with player-owned ships I guess? How many ships should we be allowed to have, and which ones exactly? In what areas and in what numbers?
How exactly are you deciding up-front (in your vision of things) what the proper mix of PC, vs. NPC, is? Is your approach simply that if you arbitrarily ādonāt likeā how certain things end up (a proliferation of player-owned structures that you deem ātoo muchā), thatās bad, so it shouldnāt be allowed?
Just for the record citadels donāt require large fleets to kill. Handful of ships can do it in a reasonable time even if they are manned itās just tedious. Ofc a large fleet may be required if the defenders bring a large defense fleet of their own but thatās always been the case for all eve fights.
I decide that by my experience that I have accumulated and shared with you by my description above. Back then you had content and activity, now you have just people sitting around and farming with supers and carriers (NPC and players alike).
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Sorry, you didnāt give an answer. You just spout confused nonsense. You either have no coherent vision or plan, or you are unable to articulate it.
Iām sorry that you cannot discern it from my messages. Let me make it clearer: I donāt need this rubbish with more player control because it leads to nothing but more unnecessary tedium and annoyance. What I want is the reliability of the previous years that allowed you to concentrate on activity and content with ships, and not on how to maintain your structure swarm.
There are too many player structures - Space is becoming static - Sov is not changing hands.
The game is stagnating because there are too many structures need to be destroyed for players to worry about fighting for sov. So sov pretty much isnāt changing hands.
Lag fests/TIDI, when a fight over a large or Xlarge (sometimes mediums) breaks out it requires/attracts many more fleets/players - This detracts from the quality of the game - TIDI sucks - TIDI is created by large fights - Large fights are created due to structures.
A few years ago CCP changed sov mechanics (for the worse) to eliminate the need for large fleets to contest structures (TCUās and Ihubs) - Fuk didnāt that go well - Structure bashes are far worse than TCU/Ihub bashing ever was.
I do hope that isnāt too complicated for you to understand.
You may enjoy spending 10 hours for a one hour fight to conclude - Many of us donāt.
Yes it is an MMO with most aspects of the game player driven - Only problem is, this is Eve where everything CCP gives us is abused, used to excess, manipulated and not until the shite hits the fan does CCP step in an take back control to keep things moving. āThis is EVEā should have been considered BEFORE the first structure was released - Any simpleton who has played Eve for more than a month could have told you structure spam would become an issue - But no CCP wanted to get them out there into player hands and play the āwait and seeā game - Now the game is in pretty bad shape due to structure spam (some alliances will never be removed from the sov they hold until the next Judge comes along) and CCP has no idea how to fix it.
I donāt get it. Are you saying that you yourself are being forced to own and administrate structures, creating tedium and annoyance for you?
Again, you are saying you are forced to own structures?
You donāt have to own a structure to be subjected to the tedium and annoyances of them all the time.
There is nothing complicated to understand in what you wrote. It is clear to me now that you (and probably the previous poster) are talking about null sec and sovereignty out there, and how sovereignty is generated, maintained, lost, etc. I know little if anything on that topic.
What I was talking about was the general idea and theme and theory that in an MMO, the more PC, and less NPC, the better. Thus, in my book, if you replace NPC-owned structures with PC-owned structures, thatās good, and if you replace NPC-driven activities (say, creating goods, creating services, creating markets, etc) with PC-driven ones, thatās good.
Having said that, of course in the final analysis, whether a game, a feature of a game, etc. is good or not depends on the implementation. I have no idea how things are implemented out in null sec, and I wasnāt commenting on that.