Why? Doesnt needed
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And why language shaming ? Because of my english is bad… am i sub creature and mentally challenged my english is bad and thus you dont take Op serious ?
Also please rationalise …, why ? Also how did you connected free skill point given to the O P to given free skill points? Did you understand yhe O P?
I dont have any special status at all…
i love to talk to people…
i suggest you to join one of these fan fast events … i dont know how will be like this and how long this corona situation will go…
.DEV s are pretty open to talk different subjects …
why are so many not able to make a post in the right section of the forum?
move it to this channel so everyone can ignore it because they never visit the channel
thank you
JuuR
thanks you im bit struggling to find the right section here… i throw here no visibility… also posted to new players section… by hoping new players read that section but still no hope… only vets writing some negative stuff without reasoning or bring a challenge in idea lvl … thats all…
I had new pilots around me but i know there is not so many new pilots visit these forum pages… hell they dont know even it exist…
And unfortunately seem like its not possible to get some rational feedback from veteran pilots…
well that could be because its really sounds like a bad idea
it sounds like another “give us alphas something for free others dont have”
i am sorry but i dont support that idea
i dont know if i am a veteran but i am not a new player …
JuuR
They are allowed to post though, yet, you don’t have to reply. I know rejecting an idea due to poor English language skills is moronic but look at the world we live in…
If the idea has merit and you’re actively submitting it to CCP then you’ve done all you could do.
which part of the text did you pull this result? I havent mentioned anything about it and text contains anything about it Also first time a new player told this is bad idea… so iwould like to hear why? also they cant get anything if they were alpha… so how do you reason this?
wel everyone can rearrange their Attributes as far as i know
so if you go omega for 30 days you would be able to rearrange your 5 mill skillpoints
if you stay omega you dont care about that because you skill more stuff anyways
so in the end it looks like another “give the alphas more stuff”
there are so many alpha players who wants more stuff … for my opinion alpha players allready have to much …
i would have locked alphas from any T2 and faction/deadspace modules … no pirate ships … no faction ships …
F2P … alpha state in EVE is only a “extended trail” of the game … look into it and if you like it you can go on with the stuff you have limited or better start to pay for it so we can pay our employes and the power for our servers …
but how ever … i think its not a good idea
and yes to less people are on this forum …
JuuR
yes everyone can rearrange these atributes … that was an exmaple.
No you cant. If you know as you can you are wrong.
No, if they figured out exactly what they would like to do… and it’s different and they spread their skill points not really consciously… they need to invest either 5 mil skill training time as omega or grind in game isk for injectors forever… and thats also turn off for many
. more month… or give up… or create another alpha toon and begin to start over which waste of time and turn off…
that doesnt explain the thousands of alfa accounts created by already omega players… i have dozens of them. and i might consider to buy omega to switch some of them ,
Are you CCP alt ? read what are you writing
if you are its interesting that you cannot see the huge profit potential on this …
i had 2 alpha chars … both are now omega … as all my chars are omega now … alpha for me was never usefull … all in all i have over 500 million SP on my chars … sorry but alpha is a trail …
you wrote:
“Why don’t you give All Alfa pilots one time chance to RE distribute their alfa skill points until 5 mil skill point. if they go into Omega?”
i interpreted it as:
“so if you go omega for 30 days you would be able to rearrange your 5 mill skillpoints”
how ever … i still dont like the idea to rearange the skillpoints … if you do that you need to get a way to make it available for everyone … if you open a option for one group you need to open it for everyone … something like a " *resculpt certificate" so a “skillpoint rearrangement certificate” …
all in all … your 5 mill sp are only a start … your 20 mill alpha max sp is only a mini step on the way … all sp can be reanranged as long as you habe 5.5 mill sp … then you extract 500.000sp and inject them back to the char … that is possible but just go omega and skill up to 50, 75, 100, 150 million sp and go above that …
still cant see why you should add your feature idea to the game … sorry
JuuR
so far actually have shared this idea with my community … large base of new players and vets… which actually around 1000 people and i haven’t got single bad feedback …
Now im looking at this thread and people writing answers without reasoning properly …
feels like they just refusing to be just refused and no understanding …
the idea is pretty appealing… and provides expected results with no loss for CCP but only gain… I do open this post and want to hear some reasonable challenge why it doesn’t work and why it doesn’t bring expected results… if you have an idea please share grandly …
when CCP introduced the ALPHA concept CCP offered to new players free 5 millon skill point possible to train without paying anything at all … But CCP havent give that 5 mil skill point to me… My main account and all my omega accounts havent benefit from that … i did paid omega untill i reach 5 mil and over… every each month…
When you are evaluating this idea… you are holding onto your own needs… Also you are thinking on idea fixed on Alfa accounts are trail… and no other function…
And you seemed pretty closed to the idea that actually these trails accounts can reform into something functional by paying one omega subscription fee… Alfa skills and skill points trained on that accounts are not extractable… so there is no way CCP loose anything at all…
It’s also an end for many new pilots…esp for the ones who have lean on instant gratification more … and Eve is already very challenging at tat point…
players can do it with ingame isk buy extractor and reinject… what is in this one for CCP out of one skill extractor sell ? one month omega has value of bit more than 5 skill extractors… obtainable by ingame isk yes still someone will buy thse from ccp and pay for it… but its also less effective when player already over 5 mil skill point… benefit goes down to 400.000 skill point… which means 1 month omega payed with credit card instant more direct income for CCP
The thing is, such a skillpoint rearrangement certificate already exists and is called ‘skill extractors’.
This thread is just a request for the free effect of 10 skill extractors for everyone who becomes Omega for the first time.
Because that somehow increases retention.
All this does is to make choices for newbies meaningless, and encourages veterans to create 5m sp alpha alts ‘just in case they need an alt with any possible combination of SP in the future’.
And retention? I doubt it will go up. Maybe it even goes down once newbies get to know any skill training choices they do now are meaningless and that they would be much more efficient by training one type of skills matching their maxed attributes for the first couple of months, instead of useful, fun and/or interesting skills.
To be fair that is anecdotal evidence, and doesnt even mention how many of the 1000 actually responded. Im just saying, dont accuse others of poorly constructed arguments if you are going to use that.
In regards to the OP itself, for 3.5m SP you can have every Alpha Skill at 3, and given 4/5 is regarded as the “useful” level", you have enough to get a few skills up further once youve got the others and have a vague idea of how it all works
There is a difference between bad feedback and negative feedback. I personally think my feedback in this thread has been useful and constructive, in other words, ‘good’ feedback, even though it is negative.
People here may also have less of a reason to just nod and say ‘aye thats a good idea’, we’re not flying with you daily. So it is possible the feedback you get here is going to be equally useful as the feedback of people of people you regularly speak, but more negative.
My major focuse last 4 years of game play is new players… i do talk to so many of them everyday and help them from day 1… and gladly have chance to fallow their endavours…
skill training is an important aspect in gameplay and only itself requires a bit of understanding and challenge to make decisions without they really know what they want and they need time bit to explore the possibilities… and figure out what they really enjoy… this takes a lot of pressure from them and gives them ease to try different things with more courage… Makes Eve bit more welcomed and less time wasted feeling on skills that wont need by them in the future .
Also, it’s not 10 Free skill injector extractor thing… they will be already trained these skills… and these skills are not extractable… all CCP has to do it set a limit .
Vetern players already train these 5 mil skill point characters over a month very focused by conscious… not randomly… there is a purpose these alfa accounts created… and most of them never mean to intended to go omega… i have amy accountls like… and i cant extract them i cant switch them and i dont wont bother to skill injectors to reform these characters… but iff CCP give a chance many players may consider to 1 time pay omega with card … to use some of these 5 mil adamant accounts to reshape it. and use them for easier adapt…
good or back refers for the idea…good idea or bad idea… NOT the quality of the feedback…
these pilots also large base of new pilots included… and their experience and thoughs about the game… So even though im a veteran player… i have been always close and emphatetic about how is to be a new player its challenges , up to now… read last couple of last messages… the player thinks he also new claim he has totall 500 mil skill point… I am jnot sure these people who write really close to new pilots…
Its common apperception i have observed in many veteran pilots that they simply far from understanding and feeling to be new… so long time ago… so many years ago… I did made 1 day toon and take fights with it… but even i do 1 day character , even you do… your current accumulation of understanding about game mechanics veils lot of things
Maybe that’s just my interpretation then, but I would call it ‘good feedback’ when someone constructively points out a huge flaw in my idea.
I was once a newbie, trained some skills that weren’t really necessary. But in the end it’s not an issue at all that I now have some mining skills on my main subcap pilot; it allows me to bait mine in a Procurer.
A newbie with no clue what to train can hardly make any mistakes. At most they have invested a couple of hours into a skill they don’t often use.
The only real training ‘mistake’ a newbie can make is to train too many unrelated skills on an character that is going to stay Alpha forever, as it is much better to have a focused training plan for Alpha characters due to the restrictive 5m SP cap.
However, as your SP reshuffle only happens once the character goes Omega, that reason is irrelevant because an Omega character can easily train the missing Alpha skills twice as fast and without limit.
And if a newbie wants a focused Alpha alt, they can make one, or many, for free.
you have a lot of feedback now
but you have chosen to not like it
you can do it but it is what it is
i see a few problems with your idea
in the end i have to ask what you really want … 5mill sp is trained really fast even as alpha … so if you have a trash alpha alt … just mak a new one … its free anyways … or go omega and skill the stuff you need … you can skill 5 mill sp for free but you can use 20 mill sp as alpha … so you skill up 5 mill sp … go omega … skill up to 20 mill sp and go back to alpha … there is your rearangement
JuuR