So he brought in 3 ships, all at different times…
The real evil is/was all ships following the same one-click-for-all.
There is nothing wrong with someone running 3 clients in 3 windows having to give each one commands one at a time. It could have been 3 players on you at once… but it wasn’t.
“Kill me once, shame on you
Kill me twice, shame on me
Kill me thrice, I go to the forums and cry”
– Frodel Beit-Lehem, The Lone Wormhole Wanderer
In vast majority of online games this is considered hacking / exploiting / cheating and gets people perma banned. Here, due to retarded game and training mechanics it is necessary to use multiple accounts to experience the game. I guess this was their financial strategy / business model here when the game was initially designed ?
So for example even if you focus on combat only, your PvP toon will have such crappy faction standings from pod kills that you still need a neutral empire space toon in order to be able to sell loot and buy ships / equipment. And then there is often a distinction between PvP and PvE toons, cap pilots on seperate accounts, etc. etc.
Throw into that indy, mining and explo and then you get really hosed without multi accounts and multiboxing.
That said, at least what you described is a legit multiboxer, if such a thing exists. Things get really screwed up when you get one of those piloting multiple ships where the player is operating only 2-3 and the rest are automated / botted cause there is no way for them to control them all otherwise. These are the biggest problems. Difficult to ban if the player doing it has an automated alert set up for chat, and can switch to chat to reply and otherwise keep on botting.
Nothing will ever be done to curtail this here from any perspective. In order to eliminate multiboxing they would have to eliminate the need for multiple toons from the ground up and they would take a gigantic financial hit in doing so. It is simply too late now. For a wide range of reasons I think it’d be better if they just design a sequel to this game rather then to try changing this one.
There’s an old saying that I adhere to, that conflicts with the idea of multiboxing: The Golden Rule: Treat others how you want to be treated.
I just think it is OP for a single player to use more than one toon to combat another player who has only one toon. I don’t see this as even related to a group of players roaming together as there is nothing that stops a single player from teaming up to form a fleet with other players. It is in fact one of the most valuable aspects of this game, to find a company of likeminded friends.
To create more than one toon to force-multiply is a form of pay-to-win imo, and is not something I see as a valuable aspect of this game. I think it is by far the most corrupt aspect of the game and I can only imagine how many players have abandoned this game for this reason alone.¨
You don’t have to travel far in this universe to find a system dominated by this “one guy”, who have gate camped the same system for as long as his zkillboard history goes. You have to ask yourself why nobody has teamed up to remove this “alternative camp” and his corp of alts? 97% dangerous and everybody in his “party” seems to be related. I believe multiboxing is a form of Inbreeding that should be clensed to prevent further maladies.
Problem is that the most EVE players are to scared to pick up a fair fight, or more correctly, to fight for something that’s fair.
That would be my guess to what their next venture will be.
I wouldn’t expect much tbh in way of alleviating things that evolved in this one some deem negative. In fact I expect they would accentuate those very features. They already have a crowd of addictive players who will not only desire but beg for more abuse. All the while players constantly trying to reach for the golden scepter never realizing it isn’t meant to be obtained.
Such is the way as it has always been just far more refined today.
While this can be a good subject for a discussion let me note something here based on your observed / assumed motive behind this discussion, because that motive can prevent you from being objective about the situation, so here it is:
No matter what, you would have lost that fight where you’ve been killed three times regardless if one guy multiboxed three ships or if three pilots would have piloted each ship… or in other words you did not lose because of multibox, you lost, three times in a row, because you made poor decisions, repeatedly.
Nothing pay2win about it, you went into a trap, again and again so whatever the conclusion of this multiboxing related discussion will / would be and whatever CCP make out of it, you would still lose the same way in that situation because of your own mistakes.
Because if the guy could no longer multibox he would simply fleet up and fly with a small gang, it may take a bit more time to organize, may depend a bit on time zones, but even if multiboxing was removed somehow people would adapt and nothing really would change in the end, and the same situation would happen and result in the same outcome anyway.
It’s not your agressor’s problem if you put yourself into that position
Stop blaming others for your mistakes
And the only golden rule
You concent to pvp the moment you log in
And so none of us should have alts because you dont watch D-Scan.
I see.
Well, I wouldn’t have any problems with that what-so-ever. In fact, I think that would be the best thing to ever happen in EVE.
And again, no, I did not write this post to vent my frustration for beeing killed three times, or because I made mistakes. I wrote this, because I as a player has only one toon and find that I constantly come up short in comparison with players who multibox. I don’t see this as even related to beeing killed by a small gang of individual players, because the benefits of winning a fight go to one and the same person, as oposed to a group of players.
And the person who pay the costs of multiple toons, pay-to-win.
person singular (he/she/it/one).
Such as?
You are getting mixed up between players and characters. Whether its one player with three characters, or three players with one character each, the “force multiplier” outcome you are crying about is the same.
It’s still three sets of guns shooting you in the face.
You say it isnt fair and it’s pay to win, but what is that player winning? Your modules the loot fairy drops? A green spot on zkill? Seriously…what are they winning at? That person, either through real life money, or pursuing activities in game is paying three times as much as you are to play the game, so they arent winning the resource war.
What if that player would have lied to you and said he/she wasn’t multiboxing? Would you be coming to the forums complaining about how unfair it is that people can fleet up and roam together? The outcome would have been the same. You would have still lost a crap Nestor and your BC (probably quicker and with less of a chance of survival).
You caused you to die horribly. Instead of “grrrrrrrrrrrr’ing” on the forums over something as silly as Multiboxing, you should turn that outward grrr into an inward hmmmm and evaluate what you did wrong and how to not to it again.
Depends on the fight; loot, bounties, or what ever. If it’s PvE it’s common to bring an alt in to fleet to get more than one payout, if it’s PvP it can be the pure pleasure of winning, or what ever advantage you gain from destroying assets, or the ability to protect assets. No matter how you spill it, you pay to multiply your force, and what you gain you don’t have to share with anyone else.
This is not the golden rule of EvE.
If you try to apply this rule to EvE you will get hosed.
So… you think you will get more loot in PvP than you would doing your PvE in a WH in the same time?
Yes, we PAY to sub our accounts.
Anyone know how old this dudes character is?
You got your math wrong there bud. If you bring three sets of guns to a gun fight, you win every fight against the one. And even if he kills one or two of your toons, you still get to fly away with the loot. Of corse you win the resource war.
This whole thing comes down to the fact that this guy was in a WH, alone, apparently either not a part of a group himself or just not properly watching dscan/sigs and got caught. The fact that it was a single person or multiple isn’t really the issue here but that he is attempting to fly in hostile lands solo in an MMO where everyone relies on the strength of those around them, be those around them alts or actual other people doesn’t matter.
PVP does happen, and it is rarely “even” or fair. You chose to fly around in a WH yet didn’t take the precautions to keep yourself alive and are now choosing to bitch about your death in a not-so-unique way by saying “It’s not fair he had more firepower than I could bring on my own.” Next time either fly with friends or HTFU and accept the fact that nothing in the game will ever favor the solo player as it’s not designed for solo playstyles in the first place. Learn from this and move forward.