As I said… its about the option to do business, if PIRAT would have taken down every structure we put up it would not have been an issue for us, but for a smaller not so established group having the extra cost would be bad… But doing so they also would disrupt our other contracts and that is something I cant set a value on.
Consequences is good, but imho think we already had them. People just want an easy way to force the bad mercs to fight their n+1 fleet head on because they cant be bothered to try to catch them with their pants down.
The first thing to understand is that if you want to fight a guerrilla war against PIRAT and if you do I will be cheering you on, you don’t even need to have a war HQ. All you have to do is locate one of the many people who have been war decked by PIRAT and ally on the war, and you do that on multiple wars including new ones they declare.
To me you don’t even have to declare war against them directly.
So where is your issue again?
You have other contracts, you have multiple war HQ’s, hell I am setting up a war dec corp and when it goes live it will have ten Astrahus sitting around all over the place. So they have to locate them, by allying in on your contracts, well you don’t put all your eggs in one basket do you.
No you did not, don’t use the bling fitted ship flying in space as an argument, seriously…
It is more then that. Pride, being part of something and boasting rights on taking down some ones war HQ. Something that shows on the killboard rather than a victory merely by sitting docked up while laughing at the Goons for example for wasting their time in hisec. Then war dec ends and two weeks of no war dec, something worth fighting for, for some.
Still if enough nullsec entities take down the war HQ and end their wars with two weeks of immunity that will have an impact on the low energy PIRAT players, N-1 hopefully…
Ofc not, but here’s the extra cost I was talking about.
Not sure if you know about the poco wars when they came out… it was months of bashing each others undefended pocos. War of attrition. And who is most likly to win those? the ones more established with most resourses, aka the biggest group.
Ok… is there any HS groups that could take down PIRAT’s HQ? Or just null guys in your opinion?
Yes and that means you just have to have a structure in space and I am sure you and others can do that, I aim to have ten and I intend to ally in on wars. If I can work that out why can’t you?
That is meaningless as a cost, hell you can even have a poco in an abandoned WH, which is something I am actually debating…
I was aware of them and I watched it with interest.
Are you talking about the ones who can afford to lose and put up new structures as being the winner. Well you are not thinking it through. Just plonk your POCO down in a WH and you can ally as much as you want.
Currently no, but I always knew that, the correct question is could one develop? I have no idea, not looking good for that but who knows.
But as most of PIRAT’s kills are on nullsec alliances something I knew very well when I was in the war dec discord by the way, it is evident that the more angry and capable ones might just go for it for content.
A war against a serious adversary means that you have to pursue it with intent, so if PIRAT comes after you then you have to use guerrilla tactics against them and minimise their advantages.
A throw away Raitaru or Astrahus, or three or four or more.
If someone is coming after you like PIRAT then you have to step your game up, I can’t understand why you can’t see that. It is not your given right to be able to war dec if someone comes after you to close you down. It will cost you in ISK or you will have to make it difficult for them. I don’t see any issue in this, you do not have a right to war dec anyone without the possibility of interruption.
They claim, because it is akin to saying I did not need that ship anyway. That is because previously there was no point to coming into hisec. just so PIRAT and others could dock up. But now they have a benefit and something that gives a kill mail. Whether they will do it is still up in the air a bit, I hope that they do.
So… what you are saying is that if I started up Devils and got an incoming dec from PIRAT I should drop all my wars and HQ’s to fight ONLY them? Ok, what do I do about content for my guys and income to the war chest?
Lets say we do it, we get the monkey of our back by doing as suggested.
As soon as we set up a new hq and launch a dec the monkey is back.
And again… and again… and so on…
Until either my guys have left starved for content or our funds run out.
The best option for my members to have the content they want would be to join a bigger group. (and there not many left, they all merge into one)
I want to add that before WL change, when Devils were active we could operate fine with the monkey on our back, even scare the monkey away.
I did not say that, I pointed out that you can still ally on wars with a POCO in an abandoned wormhole and I suggest that any war decker worth their salt run off and get a couple in place, even buy them and set the tax to 0%.
You have multiple structures in space and you use the ones relevant to your target. PIRAT has to murder all of your Upwell structures to stop you war decking and you have plenty of opportunities to murder them if you are smart.
So no I did not say that, I said you get smart and fight them.
Why are Marmite sitting in Balle?
Yes it is a war of attrition and willpower and so on.
You want to give up at the thought if it, I thought you were interested in guerrilla warfare?
And then you become very attractive for content to a big nasty nullsec who wants to do the same to PIRAT as PIRAT did to Devils. In any case most war deckers are so riven by ego clashes I hardly think that is going to happen. The drama around war deckers can be hilarious… and to think that they will all merge into one entity is not something I can see happening.
I am pretty sure you will be fine now, you might lose a bit more and have more disruption but fight for it.
@Lord_Razpataz I’ve been reading intently, but I wanna interrupt. You should inquire about merging with Pirat. I know what the past contains, but the truth is that we now share a common enemy. One that wants to see the way that we enjoy the game removed from any possibility of existence.
There’s hunting to be had, and it’s not done far enough because you know how it is… Why hunt when you can sit at the watering hole? Anyway, the content is there but as you know it’s not the same… Give it some thought before you just blurt out “No!”.
Not at all, I was assuming that you would be war decking and doing merc contracts etc. and and PIRAT would come against you for reasons. Now if you had not planned for it then you are going to suffer a bit of loss, but if you had planned for it then you can mitigate your losses and have some fun with it. And you can always use the ally approach to do stuff.
Because they are unable to contend with PIRAT.
Well I hope that something gets put in place for that. I think that Brisc has it in his sights and he has been pretty good.
Well… Devils lived 2 jumps from PIRAT, had no issues being neighbours. your point being?
@Faylee_Freir Hehe, if I still had active members I might have thought about it. But I think there’s too much pride in my little devils. We did close shop because we didnt want to sit at the watering hole in the first place.
You wouldn’t have to do the watering hole thing at all. You could use the blanket wars to pick and choose who you want to stalk or terrorize. Then we have the inevitable WarHQ defense which is “content” but could be an interesting change of pace.
I say we put past grievances behind us and fight the true enemy!
To bring this together your opinion is : change the players not the game and if this not work the players that don’t play it are not worth it?
This is suicidal for a game in the open market and you know it…
But an opinion like this is typical for a group of people that say (and said) things like : eve should rather die than change a bit(as had been done here at this forum).
