I want to briefly explain what I experienced so far and what I think of the game. Please correct me or give me tips if have been doing something wrong or stupid.
I play and played a lot of games from all kinds of genres. So far world of warcraft vanilla comes closest to eve in my opinion. While wow is strung along leveling and getting more gear, eve is built around money and your character’s skills.
I started playing a few days ago and did a few of the introduction quests showing different ways to make money.
They were nicely designed in themselves but kind of don’t represent what the rest of the game is or maybe I’m missing something. E.g. I have to get ore from an asteroid, refine it and turn it in at the quest guy but after the quests are done there are no new quest guys. In wow you would pick a quest, collect items for it, and then turn it in which makes the basic progression of the game but in eve I farm asteroids to sell them on the market to other players. It is much more mmo-sandbox which is nice but that is not portrayed by the quests well enough.
Furthermore to make the most money one should not refine the ores because the end product has less value. Which seemed weird to me so I looked more into it.
Looking through wikis and guides while my ship was mining rocks in the background I learned more about the skills and refining only gets good with high enough skills to increase the yield.
So I started to learn more mining skills first and then these golden 14 skills that improve any ship since they are used all the time like shields or maneuvering.
At first, the skill system seems abysmal, requiring days and weeks of waiting but now it makes sense because the game has a slow pace. There would be no value in learning all the skills immediately since one can not afford the gear anyways. And just like wow it gives some nice progression. It takes time to get to the goal, slow and steady progress that is very satisfying and provides new stuff over a long time. The only nitpick I have for it is being time-gated. It makes it less of an accomplishment If I can just plan all the skills and come back in a month to be much better without having done anything.
The combat is very simplistic. It is like a strategy game where you control many different groups of units and direct them on the battlefield to win the fight, but you have only one unit in eve. You press the attack button and watch the bigger unit winning. It is satisfying though to see npcs blow up faster because you got a new weapon and now you’re much bigger than them. Otherwise, I don’t see much appeal. Perhaps later with bigger ships, there is more micromanaging of weapons and modules in a fight.
So far I did not get into a single pvp fight. I’m not sure if it is because I looked at those mining guides which told me to not use too big ships unless needed or if you use them you should outfit them with enough defenses to deter attackers. But it is probably just because my beginning ship is so small nobody would kill themselves to destroy me in a highsec area.
I have been trying more ore mining. I learned some skills and bought a mining enhancer and miner 2 for my venture, which increased the mining pace by a lot. All the small updates over the days come together for a nice, impactful improvement. I don’t know if this is the intended or most optimal thing to do but I looked where ore is bought for the most in the local systems and went there. Then I go out to an asteroid belt and mine ore until I’m full and go to the station to sell it. Before I would always flee when npc enemies arrive or rats as they are called but now I bought drones and they can take care of the rats.
This is where I have some questions about mining and selling the ores.
- Why is veldspar or more so dense veldspar the best to sell? As I understand it is the most basic and common ore but since it takes the least space in your cargo per piece it makes the most profit. I went to lowsec areas and even the ore there is not worth it. Should it not be worth more the rarer it gets?
- Since it is more profitable to sell refined materials after learning the skills would it not be easy money to buy ore, refine it and sell it again? At most you would have to haul the materials or ore from one station to the other.
- Are there no other mining ships? From what I can tell there only is the venture and the next biggest thing is mining barges for like 33 million.
- Do I want to buy a bigger mining ship like a barge and use one when I have the skills high enough and enough money? I have never seen anybody use one so far other than NPCs.
- Is there a good way to look at the prices of the market? The interface is kinda lacking for a game that is about finance and markets. In wow there are popular addons to add metrics like historical price over a few different periods and much more. Is there any way to have an overview of prices across different systems? The addons in wow also add a lot of automation to move wares and create auctions based on rules.
At the moment I make around 550.000 ISK per haul and I mine 366m3 per 60 seconds. In guides, people said that one tactic can be to jetcan ores so you can keep mining and later on change ships to pick them up with a bigger ship to cut down on traveling time. I know it has risks because people can just steal the cans or use them to provoke a fight.
Is this still a recommended tactic because I have not seen anybody doing it and the secure cans are expensive and small which means a lot of micromanagement to move materials to and from all the cans?
Other than mining I’m kind of a bit lost on what to try out. What are other things a beginner can do? Do I just go around and kill other miners to then be blown up by the police? Crafting stuff seems extremely time-consuming and expensive without the best skills and infrastructure.
There seems to be exploration and stuff but I don’t understand what to explore outside of the scenarios given by the quests and how much money does it make?
So far it seems very interesting but the systems feel very shallow. Mining is very simplistic just as combat is. I hope this just stems from me not understanding the full picture and you can teach me more.