Just got back in since 2009 (yes). I seem to have a Caldari Raven with literally no T2 modules and I just couldn’t tank a level 3 mission.
I have about half bill isk … what upgrades should I prioritise for pushing for level 4? Skills should be ok, I was level 5 in a lot of the Caldari/Missile stuff
Get into a Golem. I know that’s a simplistic and not necessarily cheap option (skills, hull, fittings) - but Marauders now do 2x the damage over their Navy counterparts and outperform anything with respect to mission clearing.
Even the mighty Machariel is no longer king for blitzing (aside from sniping Scarlet in room 2). Burners still pay well, but Marauders are the ticket if you’re serious about L4s.
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A few options for fits:
• Cruise w/T2Fury missiles, utilizing 1x Faction target painter
• Torpedos w/T2 Rage/Faction torpedoes, utilizing T2 hydraulic rigs
• Cruise w/Faction auto-targeting fit (semi-afk play), T1 rigor + T2 MGC
Stay away from polarized fits as it just makes it easier to gank. Also note that if you bling your fit, you’ll want to be pushing at least 150k EHP to avoid being an easy target (Nirvanas and a DC is highly recommended).
I should have maybe said carebearing in hi-sec for now?
Yes, Marauder.
Ok, so apparently I would need 5 mo training time to get into a Golem. What upgrades to my base Raven (not even CNR) should I consider to help generate the funds quicker?
Skill injectors. It really depends on what corporation you’re running for, your ISK/LP return, etc. Off the top of my head, probably +3 or +5 implants (if you’re not already using those).
Thanks, big changes since I last played I see. I have +3 augs in. Running for Lai Dai atm, can move for better isk/lp.
Will look up what skill injectors do.
SoE still offers the best ISK/LP. Yeah, big changes… There are some not-so-bad SP packs in the NES store for PLEX that give you close to a month of skill points.
Nah, they don’t and have not been for quite a few years.
What they offer is a good geography to do burners ; and lowest ss so higher reward multiplier in HS ; and high LP volume to go in bulk ; and low impact on empire factions.
direct sobo for soe on 500k LP in Jita:
Thukker mix :
The Scope :
Amarr constructions :
SOE are actually pretty low if you don’t burners.
But indeed they still are better than lai dai
that’s because caldari LP is the weakest RN
back to the raven :
go for a sniper build with MJD to move away 100km, targeting range 160+km, cruise missiles, guidance computer.
The cheapest increase in performances would be to go with at least T2 modules for application (GC) and damage (BCU), and T2 launchers if you have the skills.
Regarding skills, all the missiles application/range/damage/rof skills are very good. They work together multiplicatively, having them all at least 4 is a very bigus dealus.
Link your fit.
T1 battleships can tank level 4 missions. If you are unable to it means that:
It is hard to suggest you a fit without knowing your skills, so just few generic suggestions:
Getting Navy Raven also helps a lot if you have ISKs.
I thought Burners were the whole point with SoE? With the LP item nerf (bug?) the LP for a lot of high-sec corporations is quite a bit less now.
If you don’t
Which I believe a player who struggles in L4 will not be doing.
The unified Nergal fit is fairly forgiving (even if you don’t have all V skills). But yes, posting the Raven fit would allow one to pinpoint deficiencies in skills/fit (etc.).
Let me try and figure out how to link a fit. I did some upgrades today still noodling along in Lv3. I will say the Lai Dai lv3 were a fair bit harder than the Caldari Navy ones (which I am on now) seem to be. I am kind of just sticking to the region I built myself up in between 2004 to 2009. CBA moving everything just yet.
Best I could do is post a screenie. I can’t export fits because the client won’t work on my machine and I am using GFN (bug raised but no response).
Don’t have the skills for the MGS II quite yet (Thursday). Will upgrade to T2 Launchers at some point soon and swap the railgun for a tractor. The shield amp is an old X-Large C5L. Will need to save some ISK for a Dominator.
I have Cruise Missiles IV, nothing in Cruise Missile Spec, Missile Launcher Op V, IV in all the other relevant missile skills bar one at III.
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[Drake, drakon age (HM T1)]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Flux Coil II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II
Shield Recharger II
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
Shield Command Burst II
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Hobgoblin I x5
Shield Extension Charge x2300
Scourge Heavy Missile x2432
See previous comments. On GeForce Now, you cannot copy OUT.,
<fitting name="Poe III">
<description value=""/>
<shipType value="Raven Navy Issue"/>
<hardware slot="low slot 4" type="Damage Control II"/>
<hardware slot="med slot 1" type="Large Micro Jump Drive"/>
<hardware slot="med slot 0" type="500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive"/>
<hardware slot="med slot 4" type="F-90 Compact Sensor Booster"/>
<hardware slot="med slot 5" type="F-90 Compact Sensor Booster"/>
<hardware slot="med slot 6" type="Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender"/>
<hardware qty="1" slot="cargo" type="Shadow Serpentis EM Coating"/>
<hardware slot="hi slot 0" type="Cruise Missile Launcher II"/>
<hardware slot="hi slot 1" type="Cruise Missile Launcher II"/>
<hardware slot="hi slot 2" type="Cruise Missile Launcher II"/>
<hardware slot="hi slot 3" type="Cruise Missile Launcher II"/>
<hardware slot="hi slot 4" type="Cruise Missile Launcher II"/>
<hardware slot="hi slot 5" type="Cruise Missile Launcher II"/>
<hardware slot="hi slot 6" type="Cruise Missile Launcher II"/>
<hardware slot="hi slot 7" type="Cruise Missile Launcher II"/>
<hardware slot="low slot 0" type="Ballistic Control System II"/>
<hardware slot="low slot 1" type="Ballistic Control System II"/>
<hardware slot="low slot 2" type="Ballistic Control System II"/>
<hardware slot="low slot 3" type="Ballistic Control System II"/>
<hardware qty="4046" slot="cargo" type="Scourge Fury Cruise Missile"/>
<hardware slot="rig slot 0" type="Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I"/>
<hardware slot="rig slot 2" type="Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I"/>
<hardware slot="rig slot 1" type="Large Bay Loading Accelerator II"/>
<hardware slot="med slot 2" type="Missile Guidance Computer II"/>
<hardware slot="med slot 3" type="Missile Guidance Computer II"/>
</fitting>…i don’t think I did it right 
But you really want to be aiming for the highest tier in your raven before getting into a golem, you want Caldari Battleships at 5 and your missiles too.
You’ll see I’ve gone T2 on Missiles and Lows, and that 1 rig. The rest T1 or meta. DPS 945, range is around 210km.
Edif: As Stefanier (sp?) below suggests, the “Arbalest” cruise with the faction scourges do reasonable DPS. I think I’ve got an Alpha Poe fit somewhere with 800 DPS or thereabouts.
example of raven fit :
[Raven, *PVE base]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Signal Amplifier II
Large Micro Jump Drive
100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
X-Large Clarity Ward Enduring Shield Booster
Missile Guidance Computer II
Missile Guidance Computer II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Auto Targeting System I
Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Large Ionic Field Projector I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Missile Precision Script x2
Inferno Cruise Missile x276
add drones to taste and missiles to rats.
not really needed, uses a lot of fitting. work on weapon upgrade first
Not usefull. Waste of time. I use an auto targeter for the +1 passive locked targets. Don’t activate it, the range is limited, waste of cap.
Naw, you won’t need if you use MJD to remain out of range.
You may even go for passive fit, now that BS have a double in extender hp.
Can’t train spec before missile V nowadays.
Thanks for taking a moment to post and help.