So, Ive spent a considerable amount of time and energy trying to clarify how industry jobs and Upwell structures work with respect to reinforcement mechanics. The issue is that there is no singular up to date knowledge database and the last concise comments I found made by a developer are 4 years old.
Fast forward to today, I have asked multiple corporation leaders with many years of experience playing eve and respectfully, none of their answers matched. To add to that, I have recently asked two GMs for information regarding structure reinforcement, industry and asset safety mechanics but their responses do not match existing knowledge in important nuanced ways.
Question 1) Can research and production jobs be cancelled during the first and/or second reinforcement timers? People say shield/armor hull but they mean different things to each person so we will use “first and second” timers for this discussion under the pretense of using azbels and sotiyos.
Question 2) If an azbel or sotiyo in full power is destroyed in its final timer, do BPOs get sent into asset safety or do they drop as loot in Low and Null sec? I know that build job materials like minerals and components get dropped as loot but no concrete data exists that confirms what happens to BPOs specifically in active jobs.
Without pointing fingers, I am referencing conflicting data from reliable developer and GM sources. I will not name anyone except for CCP Kestrel since he is already on the forums answering questions but they are 4 years old and they directly conflict with up to date GM responses on this matter as well as multiple veteran eve players.
Here is the information:
CCP Kestrel
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Active industry jobs are locked into a structure as soon as the shield timer is reinforced.
the Clone bay and all service modules are offlined when the armor is completely destroyed.
CCP Kestrel
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You shouldn’t lose BPOs unless the structure is abandoned. If a structure is just destroyed, your BPOs in production or research will go into Asset Safety.
Both of these quotes are linked in this article below:
That being said, GM responses as of this week do contradict CCP Kestrel from 4 years ago. Here are their responses:
“Hi there Capsuleer, GM here.
Please note that you generally cannot cancel manufacturing jobs in a null-sec Upwell structure once it has entered an armor or hull reinforcement timer, as the industry services are typically offlined.
If there is anything else I may assist you with, please let me know.
Best Regards,
CCP Player Experience | EVE Online”
Follow up question:
“If I have research ongoing in an upwell structure in null sec, can I cancel the jobs after its 1st reinforcement timer when it hits armor?”
Response:
“Hi there Capsuleer.
That is correct. Unfortunately, you would not be able to cancel the active jobs.
If there is anything else I may assist you with, please let me know.
Best Regards,
CCP Player Experience | EVE Online”
This matches CCP Kestrel’s mention from 4 years ago so it is perhaps accurate? The issue is that none of the experienced players I know - actually knew about this. Clear information is not being disseminated if that is the case.
The second issue is that the GM mentioned this week that BPOs drop as loot from destroyed Full Power structures which is not what CCP Kestrel said 4 years ago.
Here is the quote:
“Any blueprints installed in jobs when the structure is destroyed will not go into Asset Safety, they will be ejected into space upon the structures destruction.
Please note that Upwell structure service modules (like market, industry, or cloning) go offline when the structure enters its final (hull) reinforcement cycle. During this phase, the structure is heavily damaged and services become unavailable. They must be manually brought back online after the structure survives the repair timer.
If there is anything else I may assist you with, please let me know.
Best Regards,
CCP Player Experience | EVE Online”
If I understand this correctly, any attack on any upwell structure (Raitaru, Azbel, Soityo) will lock in the industry jobs and if it cannot be defended in High, Low and Null sec as well as wormholes, they all will drop BPOs even in Full Power with no way to save them.
If this is true, I see an issue with this.
First I would like to confirm the mechanics as they keep changing over the years.
Second, I would like to use this to inform the player base.
Third, if both statements are true and BPOs are no longer safe in Upwell Structures anywhere in New Eden, perhaps to raise this issue within the community as an imbalance.