I’m pretty happy with the hawk nerf after medium ASB’s came out.
All AF speed/inertia is lame and I feel that’s about it. Ah 2%/lvl reduced activation costs to all modules would be nice. Or a higher heat ceiling like t3’s, just not as much.
BTW if you’re interested in the feedback I have CCP here I actually put an article up about it
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They really need to figure out what AFs are supposed to do first, then tweak them accordingly. A suggestion someone else posted was to make them use medium weapons like the sniper battlecruisers. Basically keep them small and fast but give them cruiser weapons. Ishkur would probably need 50 bandwidth, but might be OP. It’s an interesting thought.
As is, giving them more damage or durability is a fools endeavor. It will just make them comparatively OP and everything else UP as a result. They need something novel to them which allows them to brawl and fight without just being straight up better stats than other combat specialist frigates or t3d.
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Three mids would be OP for the Retribution. As it is though, it is the worst AF in the game.
Ever tried flying it like a Slicer with scorch? If AF’s didn’t have such terrible speed and agility it would be amazing.
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A small ghoul nosferatu on shield tanked ship will never be a meme.
Is this nosferatu a meme?
[Hawk, OP]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
Limited ‘Anointed’ EM Ward Field
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
Small Energy Nosferatu II
Small Core Defense Operational Solidifier II
Small Core Defense Operational Solidifier II
Actually it is more likely to become a mandatory part of fittings - Just like on dreads - Because without it the class has still nothing special.
As for rebalancing and improvements - They will be carried out based on the new module. If not then they will become OP, so for Devs to keep any sort of “balance” they will be “improved” based on the use of this module.
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Yes.
Fully 100% meme.
You have a nosferatu running on a ship that’s cap stable without it (when the MWD isn’t running). I took the liberty of assuming you forgot to add the web so I added an enduring web. At the very best you will bring someone down to a bit lower cap through that sick -4/s the nosferatu is sucking out of them.
You have 14s of shield booster life. After that you will cap out in 2 cycles of your booster. You do 178dps subject to resists and hostile reps, outside of your middling cap pressure you just simply don’t have the sustainability or damage or speed to kill an enemy.
[Hawk, Hawk dual MASB]
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
Co-Processor II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50
1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Warp Scrambler II
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
Small Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
I’d rather just fly this. It lasts longer and has range control inside of web/scram. It requires a 3% cpu implant but it’s basically superior in every single way.
LOLOLOLOLOL
Dude, look at how many AF’s I’ve lost on my killboard. How on earth do you expect to retain enough cap to hold a point and keep your hardeners on UNDER NEUT PRESSURE without a nos.
You don’t fl AF’s regularly. I can tell.
The nos is a required a module on tackling AF’s for that very reason.
The Nos is not for keeping your shield booster going (which is impossible with any setup once it’s out of charges), it’s to keep your damn point and hardeners on when being neuted.
You dont’ even have proper resists. 1 shield booster with high resists performs and boost rigs performs better than two shield boosters with no resists and fitting rigs. Also takes far less cargo space. What are you smoking?
Your build has the advantage of range control at the expense of vastly less tank and no safeguard against neuts.
Although neither of our hawk’s would have survived tackling this Mach like my vengeance did last night, I would wager than my hawks would have been far more effective and lived longer than yours. I’m going to post the killmail to show you my AF experience (I never would have undocked in the Hawk for this anyway, but it shows you how I cherry pick my AF’s for each fight).
I really hope they don’t ruin my Bat Mobile (Vengeance).
Anyone can get kills when they drop a whole fleet on something. I’m primarily concerned with solo. Your fit is unthreatening outside of your 40-man blobs.
Why are you even trying to compare two completely different fits with two different jobs? When they have the same job, guess what’s the safer bet.
You’re a moron. I held that Macherial alone for over 10 minutes while being attacked by a Cerb.
The timestamps prove my claim. I tackled him at server time 23:49, the first flycatcher to arrive came at 23:54 and died at 23:55
A manticore and ares comes in at 23:56 and dies at 23:57 and 23:58. Mind you the Cerb was on me the whole time, they died to the mach.
I’m now alone for another 5 minutes (while being pounded on by a Cerb and neuted by a Mach with drones out) until the rest of the slower fleet members arrive. The condor and merlin die at 00:03 and 00:05. Notice that the Cerb never attacks them, the Cerb is still on me whole time, they died to the Mach.
The Cerb is taken down at 00:04
My friends finally bring the Mach at 0:07
This was no “40-man fleet.” This was a very long and strenuous encounter for my vengeance that stretched from 23:49 to 0:07 (that’s a total of 18 minutes) with my buddies slowly trickling in (and dying). The most grueling part was swatting the drones with my 3 rocket launchers (as opposed to the normal 4 on a vengeance since I fit dual nosferatus), followed up by babying my cap booster pulses and keeping transversal on a grappling mach with no web of my own and babying my overheat on reactive hardener when RLM Cerb resumed fire after reload.
The amount of skill demonstrated in this one battle overwhelms all the skill you’ve exerted in all your battles combined, as demonstrated by your posts and your supposed no-resist dual ASB fitting and belief that a nosfertu on an AF is a meme. I needed two nosferatus and a cap booster to keep up with just one medium neut over a 18 minute window.
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Ye… The ASB’s don’t raise your sig, but the rigs will.
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I’m still trying to understand why CCP removed the speed loss drawback from armor nano pump rig in exchange for a +powergrid drawback; whereas, the Solidfier shield rig gives a +sig drawback like the other shield rigs.
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I would say because active armor tanking should allow some armor (even if active) fits to achieve competitive speeds in relation to shield fits. I can’t remember when they changed it, but I like the change, myself.
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Yes. But we would think the active shield tanker could get some sig love to give the same damage mitigation that improved active armor speed brings.
Nice personal attack.
So let’s break this down. You are comparing a hawk which goes 1v1 with other frigates or the occasional cruiser without the intent of back up or support to a vengeance using as much tank as it can so it can hard tackle. Fascinating.
Ergo you bragging about your own people dying is similarly pathetic, do you have a recording of the fight? I can imagine that a flycatcher with its fat sig being grappled and then shot with 800’s would yes tend to make said flycatcher melt.
Then we get to the cerberus, with its undersized repper which stores 3 charges per reload, his use of a field extender rig, scram and mwd (another great headscratcher) and RLML’s without any consideration for what he would be shooting. See, the thing is, you’re one of these peanuts that assumes RLML = frig deaths. Oh yes if it were that simple rockets wouldn’t need webs to apply properly, similarly the bleed on the dps from his light missiles hitting a target he can’t influence is another factor. Years ago I ran the maths on it with some other people, you can bleed 40% of the dps of a standard missile ship with just an AB and no other fittings. The guy was shooting kinetic. At best he was doing about 250-260dps to you. The mach I will take for granted as having done virtually no damage to you. You rep 300dps kinetic with just a synth exile and no implants.
Long story short, your attack on my killboard is a laff, your use of this ship is fully within the bounds of memery.
[Cerberus, Jackleen Zero’s not ■■■■ cerberus]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II
Damage Control II
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
This fit on the other hand applies almost 380 dps to your vengeance, an amount of damage you couldn’t sustain. You wouldn’t have lasted 3 minutes against this cerb (which is actually fit for dunking frigs unlike that abortion that other guy was flying). I went and looked again at the machariel, so I was generous and figured that inside 9km of the grappler so your scram is on, you are still taking 350dps from my cerb and only 260 or so from that other guy.
Goodness it’s almost like trash fits die, a very democratic world we live in. The last person who tried this argument on me lost a 450mil garmur for his trouble to a caracal costing 25.
But talk all the ■■■■ you want famalam. It costs me nothing.
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i have one side question: why did ceptors die to a machariel??
checked the killboard; why would interceptor pjlots fit their ceptors like this?
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Don’t know, I’m not them. I fit all my ships correctly. lol. There’s a lot of new players in pandemic horde.
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You’re entire post is invalidated by the fact that I was grappled and dual webed doing 65m/s around the Mach. I was also taking grazing blows from the Mach.