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Why is it still not possible to redeem Cerebral Accelerators or combat boosters in space?

Not addressingto to fix the context Menu is Hilmarous from CCP

It’s only the problem because they want to sell more PLEX.

Sadly, after these changes that are clearly reducing player possible income… im not going to buy any PLEX, MANY others have declared the same.

It’s sad they have to push the game in a direction where subscription isnt enough. As a subscriber… you cant make isk at the rate you used to, or at a rate to be able to lose ships WITHOUT having to be forced to buy PLEX.

Horrible decision to focus on game changes that are about putting less isk in the players pocket, and more $$ in CCP’s.

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You do get that makes zero sense right?

Nope. Makes perfect sense considering the context that i replied to.

No, the whole tinfoil conspiracy that this is about CCP selling more plex.
You do get it is likely to drop plex sales right, not raise them.

ISK LOSS: They added more elements to the game to cause ship loss: edencom & triglavian standings/systems, PvP arenas, ā€œyeet me to nullā€ filaments, etc…

ISK LOSS: They split new eden up in a manner that broke most peoples will… no one wants to go 48 jumps to Jita to buy or sell… Jita’s done to anyone that doesnt live near there.

ISK LOSS: They removed Ores from all sections of space, limited what can be produced and/or sold…

ISK LOSS: They removed Ore anomalies from high sec…

ISK LOSS: Once peoples reserves run out, Ore/Mineral prices are going to continue going up… availability will diminish… prices will rise more… Larger Ship prices will double or more due to harder to get mats, limited supply, and or using non-jita trade hubs, because screw 48 jumps… thats 96 jumps round trip…

ISK LOSS: High sec moon changes. enough said. Dont even say ā€œbut its high sec!ā€ wars kept this in check…

There’s more… i dont want to type all morning…

With all this loss… a player will be faced with… ā€œdo i want to mine, rat, mission run, hack, etc to make up my losses so i can buy the ship i just lost? wait, dam… seems thats gonna take me ages now… thats not fun… or wait! i could buy PLEX!! or the NEW PLEX/SP packs CCP is pushing on us!!!ā€

It’s not my fault your too dense to see that by reducing ISK per hour a player can make, they are being cornered into a ā€˜waste time or buy plex’ position.

Use your brain, the word ā€˜Conspiracy’ is wrongly thrown around like ā€˜Nazi’. If you’re going to assume that a company is NOT after profits and the logical reasoning is a ā€œconspiracyā€ā€¦ I can only assume you’re a Nazi.

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not all you wrote is a ISK loss, but fore sure is is a income loss

and not always you have to use the term conspiracy. sometimes it is enough to call it strategy :slight_smile:

No difference between ā€˜Income loss’ and ā€˜ISK loss’… technically the same thing.

If no one has isk, no one will have isk to buy your plex you bought to sell for isk. That’s the step you missed.
Plex does not magically turn into isk.

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I didn’t miss any step, and you attempting to make excuses doesn’t discount from what’s going on, that you cant comprehend.

PLEX will always be bought AND sold within the game as long as CCP allows it.

That excuse doesn’t apply.

Sure it can.
But if no one is earning isk no one will buy plex on the market. Because no one will be able to afford it.
Therefore for you to sell plex on the market others must still be making good isk. Which then asks the question of why if others can make good isk why can’t you, since if plex sells it must be possible still.

Price of PLEX (in isk) is maintained by players. It can cost 1 isk or 1 bilion. Economy will adjust to lower money supply. There always will be someone to buy PLEX since it always has value.

But if you only get 1 isk for your plex, you aren’t going to run out and part with $20 for it.
So it makes no sense to say that CCP lowering the isk supply is designed to sell more plex, since if it has any long term effect it should be to actually decrease Plex sales due to lower isk prices for plex.

Why not? value of isk is not fixed. You are completely ignoring basics of eve economy and just jumping to conspiracy theories because they fit your narrative.

Uh no, I’m applying basic consumer economics.
Assumption 1. Scarcity will cause prices to rise on material goods due to lack of supply.
Assumption 2. Scarcity of Isk will cause prices to drop on non material goods like plex (& therefore run onto sp injectors) due to lack of demand at a high price.
Assumption 2 will also partly counter assumption 1, but to what degree who knows.
Could these assumptions be wrong? Absolutely, but they follow basic economic ideas, they are not a conspiracy theory.

In short, if 50 Plex right now equals 1 T2 cruiser, in the future this may look more like 150 Plex = 1 T2 cruiser.
Working from these assumptions, it follows if you get less isk/value for your plex, you are less likely to bother buying plex to sell for isk.

Now you are welcome to disagree, but do so on real grounds.

Its in CCPs interest for PLEX to have a lower isk value because more people will buy em off the market.

When I started a PLEX (equiv to 500 PLEX today) was 300m…

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My problem with this is that you assume that plex or isk should have fixed value. Apart from that, CCP stated many times that their goal is to make isk more valuable and make loss meaningful. So yes, your example (even if not exactly correct) is a goal for CCP.

Do you even read? I clearly didn’t make that assumption. But whatever, you aren’t even talking about the same things I was.

Reduced ISK availability will not lead to a change in overall PLEX sales, only a change in PLEX price. Because there wouldn’t be a higher demand for PLEX just because there is less liquid ISK - there is zero relationship between PLEX demand and asset destruction since PLEX cannot be used to acquire ships/modules/etc.