Quick question - some of the hisec kills on zkill show “ganked” while others do not. Even when it’s the same gank crew involved. Just wondering why it would show this way…?
One possible explanation might be that they’re shooting at reds (?)
Any help appreciated.
I think its just the algorithm of how zkill is set up
Zkill assigns this automatically based on whether or not a lossmail associated with CONCORD is involved. Some gankers are closet miner carebears, gankbears, and they are embarassed to lose ships to CONCORD. These goofuses do not post their lossmails on zkill, and as a result they are not considered to be real gankers.
So, just to make sure I understand…
All Concord-associated kills are posted on Zkill, regardless of individual player/corp permissions.
Players who have signed up to share their data with Zkill can be identified as gankers.
Players who don’t share their data voluntarily will not have their kills labeled “ganked.”
Do I have that right?
More or less.
A gank must, by definition, be accompanied by a CONCORD lossmail.
There is no ganking in Bulsec
Perfect, thanks for your help!!
Not entirely correct.
Losses of ships are only uploaded to zkillboard if either the attacker or the defender or their corporation decides to upload kills. Many players do this automatically, some manually and by default people don’t do this at all.
Losses to CONCORD often have only one party: the owner of the lost ship. CONCORD is an NPC faction and only players upload to zkillboard.
So if a ganker loses their ship to CONCORD it won’t show up on zkillboard unless the ganker has set zkillboard to automatically pull their wins (and losses), uploads their loss manually or has another player involved in their loss who posts it.
As result it often seems that many ganking ships don’t get killed by CONCORD on zkillboard because it is not recorded and uploaded. They still have lost their ship, but unless another player also decides to take a shot at the ganker and uploads the kill this kill won’t be found on zkillboard.
What I understand from what Aiko said is that if one of those ganker losses to CONCORD is found on zkillboard then the related kill this ganker made around the same time is identified as “ganked”.
So to get back to what you said:
No, not all concord-associated kills are posted, only if players/corps decide to automatically or manually upload.
No, people who have at the same moment lost a ship to CONCORD can be identified as gankers. Ganker isn’t something you are permanently, it’s a temporary action. Someone could be a ganker one moment and a miner the next. If zkillboard can see that you lost a ship to CONCORD because a loss to CONCORD is uploaded then zkillboard knows you have ganked something at that time.
This doesn’t require the ganking player themselves to be signed up to zkillboard. It could also be an antiganking or opportunistic Griffin pilot who decides to jam the ganker in the process and upload the kill to zkillboard for the ganker’s loss to be recognised as a CONCORD loss and thus gank attempt.
Nope.
Whether you share your data or not with zkillboard doesn’t matter for showing up as “ganked” on zkillboard.
Ship losses have two parties. If the other party decides to upload your loss to zkillboard it will show up there.
So you’re probably going to end up on zkillboard anyway. It’s just not clear whether the label “ganked” will be applied. Depending on whether those gankers were attacked by another player or are automatically uploading their losses too so that zkillboard knows CONCORD was involved then zkillboard may see whether it was a gank, according to what Aiko said above.
But you can’t decide to have kills shown and not have losses also shown. So by definition if a kill is shown then the loss to Concord ought to also be there.
The exception is flashy reds, wardecs, flashy yellow, or kill rights…for which there would be no Concord.
You can.
If you don’t automatically upload all losses and kills you can choose which ones to upload.
Unless someone else is involved and uploads your losses you can choose to only selectively manually upload the kills you like.
This means it can happen someone is ganked and their loss visible on zkillboard while it appears as if the gankers did not lose ships to CONCORD at all according to zkillboard, even though they did lose ships.
Not exactly, but Amatin already explained how it is.
I just want to add that killmails are only generated for 2 parties in the game – the one who laid the final blow, and the one who lost their ship. The only way they end up on zKill is when either or both of those parties publish the killmail. For zKill they will either be pulled automatically through API (character or corp) or, failing that, uploaded manually (doesn’t have to be someone involved in the fight, as long as you have the link to the killmail you can post it on zKill).
‘Ganked’ label is just generated through zKill algorithm. It’s a relatively new thing there.