A new Poco war erupts

[Dracvlad]

Now you will see just how wrong you were with the BM comment the other day.

We had to plan for having a ball of gankers thrown at a key ship, will be interesting to see how your opponents deal with it as it is a shock tactic though in normal fleet fights you will find yourself at a disadvantage. But as you will be using thrashers and warp in and out you will find that fun. All people have to do however is spread tackle and you will give killmails, though you might overwhelm something juicy, though they are not going especially expensive.

@Faylee_Freir

You can assist in on the war. Go to our war reports and just assist on the Omega and Friends Medialabs war!

If Destiny does, which I doubt, I will get an idea who Destiny really is as it is a forum alt.

Follow-up Destruction
PANDORAS FLAG
Holesale Operations
Wrecking Machine.
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
Blackflag.

Are helping defend the POCO’s. I will be watching who joins in with interest…

@Faylee_Freir

Killing POCOs is easy… very easy. Holding them is an entirely different beast. This isn’t the first “POCO war” and won’t be the last. These things are very much a war of attrition and we’re paid handsomely to defend them and take them back.

I know, seen it before and have had a go myself at one point, but only after PIRAT. decided to try to get in our way against CODE.

Still your alliance will be grinding POCO’s over an extended period at a guess, though 100 is not a lot to be honest. I saw your comment in C&P, 2,000 is a lot… Content then…

@Faylee_Freir

I don’t think that the alliance acquiring us as gankers makes the alliance a ganking alliance. We get paid to shoot stuff and sometimes that involves ganking. Just another trick in our bag.

It is a bit of a move from the previous position of Vendetta., but yeah ganking people you have been paid to go after seems pretty valid to me.

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Dracvlad

ganking people you have been paid to go after seems pretty valid to me.

So ganking Highsec miners is valid now?

[Aiko_Danuja]

I bet he won’t even watch. Much easier to just say you were watching, but in actuality you were AFK, and perhaps not even logged in.

[Destiny_Corrupted]

He keeps calling me an alt, as if I absolutely have to have some kind of Rorqual-mining “main” hidden in some dead-end null-sec donut box somewhere, because that’s important to him, so by extension it must be important to everyone else. His mind literally can’t reconcile the possibility that someone might not be interested in grinding PvE for fake game money, and simply doesn’t play EVE much anymore because most of their gameplay has been patched out and because they simply don’t have the time to game much in general.

The biggest irony of all is that his massive ego doesn’t match his tragic lack of fortitude.

[God_Emperor_Kane]

@Dracvlad

Cerberus fleet being used by Blackflag, was amusing.

Yes and it got us a few kills. I was able to keep the guys away from the scramblers with each warp in he did.

Cerbs and scimis is one of our fleet use ships. And they work well.

I really only care about those are actually in the fight and commentors can comment all they want. It took us 2 days to take back 200 pocos the last time so I am not sure what you are talking about. I don’t care about PIRAT either since that was the Russians alliance. And I am fully aware of the misconception of PIRAT disbanding. I don’t care about that either since everything I read on the forums about it is wrong.

In any event. I am a twitch supporter of Bjorn Bee and have been for months. I am having fun and so is everybody else that joined him. There is no them and us, what is winning here is EVE because people are having fun. How long that will last I do not know. but this is a good content generator and those that have the attitude “screw Omega, BF or whatever”" then that is just sad. Because GRRRR… is not their goal.

[Dracvlad]

@God_Emperor_Kane

Yes and it got us a few kills. I was able to keep the guys away from the scramblers with each warp in he did.

Cerbs and scimis is one of our fleet use ships. And they work well.

Yeah they do. Perfect counter for what he brought, when I started watching and looked at his fleet composition I knew what you would use.

@God_Emperor_Kane

I really only care about those are actually in the fight and commentors can comment all they want. It took us 2 days to take back 200 pocos the last time so I am not sure what you are talking about. I don’t care about PIRAT either since that was the Russians alliance. And I am fully aware of the misconception of PIRAT disbanding. I don’t care about that either since everything I read on the forums about it wrong.

No comment on PIRAT disbanding at all, was merely talking about them in the context of earlier lower level POCO wars and Blackflag guys were in them at one point after their alliance got stolen. My comment on 100 was that it was insignificant but 2,000 would be a grind.

@God_Emperor_Kane

In any event. I am a twitch supporter of Bjorn Bee and have been for months. I am having fun and so is everybody else that joined him. There is no them and us, what is winning here is EVE because people are having fun. How long that will last I do not know. but this is a good content generator and those that have the attitude “screw Omega, BF or whatever”" then that is just sad. Because GRRRR… is not their goal.

Hell it looks really fun and what he is doing is just great for content, I hope they have deep pockets because they will need them, no criticism from me here at all. Though I can of course understand why people would go GRRRR Omega and Blackflag.

[L_Amour]

I’ve a few Catalysts laying around. I’ll go see what all the hubbub is about… maybe “grief” someone while no one is watching

[Etch_Masuka]

@Destiny_Corrupted

Yes, you will. All you ever do is watch, like the creepy guy who gets kicked out of the orgy because he always refuses to drop trou and take part in the festivities.

This made my day.

[Aesir_Valtari]

This 10.K vs Omega & their paid mercenaries war will end in exactly the same way as the previous ones - Omega will lose a few hundred POCOs, only to set up a few hundred new ones a few months later and regain the monopoly.

As much as I wish BjornBee success in the war effort, simply the situation with POCOs is absurdly difficult to change in a meaningful way due to very deep deals between powerful and rich entities maintaining their monopoly and prosperity. The whole POCO mechanism is one more aspect of this game that would need to be reworked by the developers so that the conflict around them doesn’t rely on the one and only method of “ok, they came in 200 ships, we’ll come in 400. Well guess what, Muninns goes brrrrrr, ha ha”. But after all, to expect such an effort from a CCP that has been unable to even start reworking POS for years is naive. So everything will stay the same.

Also, BjornBee’s approach that he streams everything and basically doesn’t care about a minimum of secrecy in his actions certainly doesn’t help him. Maybe I’m not aware of something, but it seemed to me that wars are won with the help of outsmarting the enemy, striking where he doesn’t expect, and so on. BjornBee is currently doing the opposite - his plans, fleet composition, strike target - all transparently shown and discussed on twitch.

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Aesir_Valtari

the one and only method of “ok, they came in 200 ships, we’ll come in 400

If only they would rework EvE so that one casual antisocial player could defeat an alliance of twenty thousand people without logging in, and just passive gameplay destroy their enemies in a fair and perfectly balanced honorable duel fight.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Dracvlad

We

Whose we? You aren’t even fighting bruh.

@Aesir_Valtari

Also, BjornBee’s approach that he streams everything and basically doesn’t care about a minimum of secrecy in his actions certainly doesn’t help him. Maybe I’m not aware of something, but it seemed to me that wars are won with the help of outsmarting the enemy, striking where he doesn’t expect, and so on. BjornBee is currently doing the opposite - his plans, fleet composition, strike target - all transparently shown and discussed on twitch.

Opsec is important, as is knowing the fleet comp.

[Lord_Kalus]

@Aiko_Danuja

one casual antisocial player could defeat an alliance of twenty thousand people without logging in

So, you want them to make us all The Mittani?

[Leggone_Stracks]

There seems to be a note of sarcasm in the air.

[Leggone_Stracks]

Low sec and null sec pocos should be owned in the lawless way that reflects the type of space they are. In hisec, on the other hand, rules can exist and be enforced. Perhaps Pocos in hisec should only be owned by a corp that has a headquarters in the constellation in which the Poco exists.

[Githany_Red]

@Aesir_Valtari

This 10.K vs Omega & their paid mercenaries war will end in exactly the same way as the previous ones - Omega will lose a few hundred POCOs, only to set up a few hundred new ones a few months later and regain the monopoly.

As much as I wish BjornBee success in the war effort, simply the situation with POCOs is absurdly difficult to change in a meaningful way due to very deep deals between powerful and rich entities

Oh so let’s not do anything, let’s not fight rich entities that take control of something like Poco’s because it’s to hard to dislodge, let’s not fight gankers because they are to hard to beat.

Please tell me what’s wrong with the game mechanics around Poco’s , as I see it works as intended and like omega had to work hard to set it up and keep it.

If you want something in this game u have to fight for it and put in the time. All movements start small all fires start with a spark you just have to do it . I know this all to well in our own fight and what has been said to Bjorn has been said to me in the past , you will never succeed these people you fight are ALTs of people with deep pockets and will destroy you, well do you know what we are still here and still fighting and we have made good headway.

The naysayers are the worst threat any action in this game can face , take action now and play your part.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Githany_Red

Oh so let’s not do anything, let’s not fight rich entities that take control of something like Poco’s because it’s to hard to dislodge, let’s not fight gankers because they are to hard to beat.

Please tell me what’s wrong with the game mechanics around Poco’s , as I see it works as intended and like omega had to work hard to set it up and keep it.

If you want something in this game u have to fight for it and put in the time. All movements start small all fires start with a spark you just have to do it . I know this all to well in our own fight and what has been said to Bjorn has been said to me in the past , you will never succeed these people you fight are ALTs of people with deep pockets and will destroy you, well do you know what we are still here and still fighting and we have made good headway.

The naysayers are the worst threat any action in this game can face , take action now and play your part.

So your solution is to grief these players just trying to make a living?

Interesting.

[Destiny_Corrupted]

@Githany_Red

Oh so let’s not do anything, let’s not fight rich entities that take control of something like Poco’s because it’s to hard to dislodge

Once again you frame this as some kind of freedom fight, when in reality it’s nothing but one tyranny being replaced with another.

@Githany_Red

let’s not fight gankers because they are to hard to beat.

Likewise, with ganking, if your mission is successful and let’s hypothetically say you manage to completely defeat ganking, the new order that would arise from this wouldn’t be beneficial for the game and its players due to the way the economy would function. Lots of players argue against ganking on principle and wish for it to be gone completely, but they wouldn’t actually enjoy playing an EVE without it. It’s just that they don’t have the foresight to see this.

[Dracvlad]

I see both points of view here, yes I think it can be done, what Bjorn Bee is doing is impressive and he has numbers, at least for now. But @Aesir_Valtari has a point too, the POCO owner is very entrenched and can call upon various groups to defend them and has very deep pockets, it is also content that revitalises the war deccers too, they love sitting there blapping away.

I am not sure what he was grumbling about in terms of the POCO’s and mechanics?

When I saw the fleet composition of Bjorn Bee on his video I said to myself that Blackflag. would bring the Cerberus fleet, and they did, that the fact he is streaming this gives valuable intel for his enemies which they will use.

To win the war it needs other entities to do the same thing in their areas, to do wars and go for it too.

10.K has decent numbers and that gives them a critical mass, as long as they can maintain that with the losses that they will suffer. One thing that was noticed with the trade tower wars, was that the quality of the war deccers and their bling fits will fail against decent numbers if their enemy uses the right doctrine, made even more possible by the resist nerf. That is what is good about this attempt because they have decent numbers.

I would like to see a lot more logi in 10.k fleets to be able to do this and start affecting the morale of the war deccers, in this type of war you have to make the enemy feel impotent. The important fights will be the defence of the war HQ and that is where things will get very interesting and if 10.k uses the Vexors and Harbingers they will likely not be able to defend them.

But you are right, if other entities want their slice of the POCO pie they need to get involved now, and they need to stand up and fight for it, but I am not sure how many will. As for me, it is not within my playable TZ and I have committed elsewhere, and while Bjorn Bee is doing this for himself, others can take advantage too, if that is where they operate.

Your corp should go for it, have fun with it. o7

[Destiny_Corrupted]

It’s “not within Dracvlad’s playable TZ” (despite the fact that zKill shows that war activity is taking place at literally every hour of the day) because he’s recently talked so much smack about forcing entire enemy fleets to dock up or run away at his mere presence, so now he knows that people would actually be watching to see if his ass can cash all those checks his mouth likes to write on these forums.

[Lord_Kalus]

@Dracvlad

they love sitting there blapping away.

But they don’t like when people blap back, and Bjorn’s crew will be doing that. I believe that if anything their numbers will go up over time as anyone with an axe to grind over the status quo will start jumping in on the action.