So, I totally get the frustration with seeing people interact with EVE in this sort of “just leave me alone to krab endlessly” manner.
However, I also see this is as a “who cares what they do?” situation. I mean, he’s out there, he’s your content, who cares what he thinks about it? Would it be better if he didn’t play and therefore wasn’t there at all?
To me this says less about the players, and more about the fact that too many aspects of EVE are so unexciting that people find grinding without interaction to be preferable to other activities.
EVE can handle a plague of boring grindy spacekrabs. What’s killing it is a dearth of fresh interesting content that appeals to a wider range of players.
There is something about what you wrote, but the moment these players swarms forums with their ideas of PvP immunity, removal of ganking and other nonsense, then these players would better not be there at all.
And while it might be true that this player is content, it is a toxic content which brings no fun to engage into. Not only his empty ship doesn’t grant you any satisfaction or feel of an achievement, his craps in local will demoralize you and make you stop playing the game. At least, whenever I run into such retard, that is exactly how I feel about it and take a break.
I’ve gotten them in high sec, and in low from the FW LP farmers.
I think they are funny. But it does leave me wondering, certain agents in [redacted] have made the claim that its people like me, you know, the ones that pvp, that are the toxic sociopaths for “causing an emotional response” and yet, they actively ignore the attempts of these carebears who try to illicit a counter emotional response in me by issuing RL death threats, curses, illness, cancer, covid, etc.
It has always been this way. My primary playstyle from 2007-2012 was can flipping, high sec wars, solo miner ganking. I have volumes of this stuff saved in files and it is always amusing to go back to. The thing now though is they mostly honestly believe PVP is against the rules or somehow immune when you are “just trying to do some PVE and mind your own business.”
At least the majority of folks 15 years ago only wanted to tell you to sod off and die but knew they chose the interaction by undocking.
I remember my first death threat. I was about 3 weeks in, and I had probed down a mission runner. I warped in with my slavage heron and buddied up to the MTU and started ninja salvaging the massive pile of wrecks. It was like a new scrappers ka-ching moment.
Then it happened.
The mission runner wasn’t too pleased that I was salvaging their wrecks. And proceeded to tell me that they were “hers”
I responded as any rationale scrapper would, “if they are yours, then why are they in my cargo hold?”
Oh boy… she exploded in local with the psychological warfare, telling me how much of an awful person I am, how she hoped I would die. She knew somebody that knew somebody that knew how to track IP addresses and I should start sleeping with one eye open because I wouldn’t know when the deed was going happen.
At this point the yellow box of impotence made an appearance.
I ended the exchange with “that’s a pretty extreme measure to take over pixilated space garbage.”
She then proceeded to tell me that she reported me to CCP as I jumped out of the system with like, 4-5 mil isk of junk.
TBH it was a fascinating experience. Why someone would have such an extreme response over something so trivial in a videogame.
But, TBF, I have also met some really cool people. Some who’ve asked me “how do you do that.” And I’d tell them, and a couple I even took on a few salvage runs so they could try it and see if it was their cup of tea.
So there are equally cool people out there as well.
LOL yeah. Back when ninja salvaging became a thing they still had mission agent quality so you would have like hundreds of mission runners in the same caldari system (Motsu) all running missions. There were no MTU so it was like shooting fish in a barrel probing down the mission and going to town.
They lost their minds and quite a few navy ravens shooting at salvagers and getting themselves concorded over 400k isk scraps. We had one weekend where we got about 150-170 ninjas online and literally just locusted every mission in system. I feel bad for the sheer amount of petitions filed by angry grindbears that weekend. Poor GM.
I fly in, we shoot, most of my interactions are “gf” and that’s it.
Uncommonly, instead: I fly in, we shoot, then after there might be tons of positive chit chat. We talk about fits, mistakes we made, gossip in the FW zone. You know, the positive and constructive kinds of interaction. Despite us shooting at each other, and maybe one of us floating in a pod.
It’s these risk-adverse people that start filling up local with calling me “rooky” and “boy” and other diminutive insults. I fly in, I attempt to shoot them, they start filling up local with insults. They don’t have guns so they only have words. They make their problems mine.
Yep.
Three months ago I would run into new players in the warzone on a somewhat infrequent basis. Often they were in destroyers, and sometimes I would still die to them.
About two months ago I killed my first empty ship from a reputable FW alliance. I reached out to old contacts and asked “is this really OK?”. It apparently sparked an internal debate with leadership, who came back with “we don’t like it but it’s up to individual pilots to do what they want”. I respect that, even if I hate it.
Now, two months later, when you go into the Amarr/Minmatar warzone you don’t see any new players. Every young toon you see is an alpha alt doing this deplexing strategy. Plexes are zero-sum, so as these alt armies remove plexes en-masse, real new players can’t find any to sit in to play the game. This is on top of the normal d-plex bait strategy where there’s a cloaky rook or curse waiting inside. And on top of all other pirates like me that are poking and prodding. There’s also more to the story with what’s wrong with the Amarr/Minmatar warzone but that’s off topic. At the end of the day, it is no wonder actual new players are no longer here.
This is a case where boring grindy spacecrabs are directly impacting the fresh wonder of new players.
You may want to be a bit more aware of your own blinders. There’s A LOT more to this game than just PvP. By saying the above your being as blind as the poster.
Wow… wonder how I managed to drop so much in plex over the course of 1.5 years developing my hi sec mining set up.
You obviously don’t realize what it takes to train up to the ships to build, mine and support mining… and even then it’s not really sustainable for plexing subs.
If that was my initial goal as a new player, who realized they needed to actually understand the universe they were establishing themself in, than I actually ‘Won Eve’ without quiting.
What’s sad about that?
Now I can go get blown up and replace my ships and components at cheaper than Jita prices, or I can be a blinged out pinata for the hell of it because I can afford to experiment.
I’m pretty sure I made a good long term tactical decision.
Kinda hard to do to that stuff when one is too busy grinding away at the belts to feed their industry that they paid whale amounts of plex to establish.
“I lived the grind so that now I can afford to take lots of losses” sounds like loser talk. You could’ve spent the same amount of time actually getting good at combat so that you could afford to replace your losses by virtue of rarely having them because you’re good enough to win most of your fights.
I’d bet my Confessor that she’s never experimented any sort of blingy fit in a high risk situation.
And 2) she doesn’t experiment because why should she when there is a much safer option. Simulate fit. Something she can do when she’s not afk at the belts.
Sounds about right for what I’ve decided is my next goal. I came into EVE looking at it like a long journey not a quick ‘fix’ I’ve dozens of games for that.
I’m not seeing how having the understanding that I was a cautious newb entering into an extremely complex 20 y/o game is ‘loser talk’… especially if my intention was/is to be around for years.
Mashing function keys more quickly than someone else isn’t a worthwhile goal for me unless there’s a deeper more personal reason behind the activity. At a certain point I’ll end up mashing them with all the right ships at the right time for my own reasons.
I’m over 60+ and I have never found the ‘be more like us’ argument persuasive, and even if in the end I found (or will find) I have become ‘more like them’…
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When I bit off more than I could chew
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But through it all, when there was doubt
I ate it up and spit it out
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