A significant update to Industry

your opinions are not facts.

There are still missing components in amarr, with 0 price history. Build cost estimation on faction bs is over 5b. Some closer to 6 and that doesn’t account for the parts that with no price. Faction cruiser build estimates are over 1b, again not counting parts with no price. Those are facts.

So far this is going well.

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They only get money if people are entertained by what they present, whether its for the money or not.

Claiming this is relevant, is not.

You are cherry picking. THAT is fact.

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I’m factually correct.
You try to make a general image of an unstable system from a limited view (the present). That IS cherry picking.

Well, someone has to. I mean, you could wait for them to just fall off the trees, but then they’re all dirty, and probably starting to rot, and the birds have been at them…

I want ripe, clean cherries for my ice cream sundaes, dammit!

You’re, in fact, wrong there. I didn’t do anything. This is actually the situation, as it currently is, weeks into this change. I find it interesting you call it unstable. Not because I disagree, but because I think we’ve found something to agree on.

Me too

why this patch is very very bad idea. Reason is here.

Now player like me forced to go low secs. whic is eve most dangerous space.
why? at WH there is big suprise factor. If you know what you do you will catch less likely.
at Null Sec thanks Power blocks and blue donut Null Sec Safer than High sec for many aspect.
But if you are forced to do business to low sec. At known points… People able to prepare very good traps.
So i lost 1.5billion. You see it came from ccp new beloved blueprints they are unnecessary expensive.
So I am 2 years player. I already start learning counter measures like sending to alt for scouting. And already starting watch gankers habits-tactics at gate.

But CCP said us this is good oportunity for start industry… This is total lie. For entering low sec. You need proper fit and proper tactics and you have to know what you are doing for minimize your risk even after that nothing under guarantee…

Ofc Many indy player cant do this. So what ccp really think? Gas prices already doubled. Moon minerals too. Because demand increasing. Even with normal prices CCP add too much extra matarials to ship blueprints. You can defend with Frigates-Battlecruiser prices drops. But comon. Everbody know who have bigger wallet who have more alt will win the war… Loser lost everthing winner gets all.

So at eve main rule dont fly if you cant afford. CCP increased Risk Value for everyone. Even unarmed ships. But Gain? Really? May be ships prices much expensive. But Sale numbers? Horrible. Jita Market really unhealty. Other markets nearly dead… Dear CCP is this your solve for this game? When i start this game everyting much better than now. But CCP greed cause Grim days.

Do you know why i dont really angry or sad for lost 1.5billion? Because I understand I am no more connected to this game. I dont fell anything. I already know in this game Rich will be richer. Game always give benefits to old players. Even in events Their newbro sties can easly rip apart avareage new bro. If you dont have enough skill points you can fit well… etc etc… So i am continue play to eve. But not as player. More like a researcher looking to monkey cages…

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…So capitals now require a 6 bil core temp regulator? Dreads are now over 10 bil. Supers are showing 120+ bil

I’m using fuzzworks calc: Blueprint Calculator - Blueprint Display (fuzzwork.co.uk)

I’m glad I stockpiled capitals, but this seems unfair to those who didn’t…

Cant roller coaster prices like this.

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So don’t use the known points.

There aren’t that many and they are easy to avoid.

Jumping into Tama from Nourvukaiken is just about the dumbest place to attempt to enter lowsec. It’s convenience of being close to Jita is offset by one of the longest standing gate camps in the game.

Most highsec to lowsec gates are never gate camped and it’s easy to enter lowsec.

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i don’t think that is the issue here .He just didn’t get his industry to the next level .Just go the the eve store and buy the Foreman Pack ,then u wont have to go to low sec .I rly cant read people complaining for staff that you can clearly avoid .It only cost €139.99 and u can avoid all the pain and unnecessary losses .

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Working as intended. 3 billion isk for a Leshak, if there were any materials available to build one out of, which there aren’t, is good for the game according to CCP. Especially for the beginner industrialist.

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These are the prices that those ships should be in the first place.For example ratting carriers zkillboard was full of those running anomalies in null sec.U could easy make your carrier fit in 1 week .That is ridiculous ,Losses should matter , at last ccp is fixing staff ,now with ess and bounties modifiers and lets say rating for 2 hour per day and lets say a tick of 30 mil witch is very good u only need 30,5 days only to replays your loss.Capital losses should matter .(but as ccp have mentioned bc and bellow prices are going down so use a merlin omen profecy etc )Everyone in the community wants to have a healthy eco system .Thx ccp keep up the good work .

you are funy. another ā€œignorantā€ try to judge us… First things first every good public POS at low sec also well known by gangers. They are not moron. They holding these type systems as long you check systems before enter danger lvl is same. You cant reduce your catch chance with your so brillant ideas.
do you know why we want tama? Do you ever try to produce new materials for ships?
let me explain why TAMA…
We forced to go tama. Or Open accsees POS at FW system with proper setups. reason is bonuses.
Our beloved CCP design team consider for producing Vedmak 200x Auto-Integrity Preservation Seal
and 100x Life Support Backup Unit
So If I produce at Perimeter Tranq. Prod. Center. It takes 49 Hour 33M isk job cost
So if I produce at average POS within 5 jumps to Jita it takes 75 Hour 9M isk job cost.
So If I produce at Space Detroit at Tama. It Takes 37 Hour 13m isk job cost.

with max 10 slot at max speed tama. I can only produce mats for 6.5 Vedmak… with my all power. without ships production time

with max 10 slot at max speed at average pos. I can only produce mats for 3.2 Vedmak…

so your all income came from selling 3.2 vedmak still risking your ships your mats at low sec reactions?
CCP killed Industry for normal player. Now Faction ship production goes to power blocks amd RMTs like Tect 2 - Tech 1 ship production. CCP basicly say to Indy players. Dont produce or your lost your isk… At outside much better ISK/Risk activity. So Why you willnt find anything at this Irregular controlled market. Yes Rich will Richer poor will poorer… We were regulate prices with our moderate productions… So CCP want Ruin this game. If anyone againts this. Just CCP advocate.

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Absolutely agree. CCP completely killed all small-scale production. And along the way, they finish off pvp and mining. Great patch CCP!

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I truly understand your frustration , i can assure you that the devs do to .You just need to take your industry to the next lvl and become e better version industrialist .check the solution
at eve store Foreman pack .Its a specific pack design for players who likes industry , and find it difficult to adjust to the new changes .If you think you are that person and want to take your industry to the next level ,Check it out ,it is truly what you need to skip tama and be a better industrialist .

Because you’re lazy. There are plenty of other equally good lowsec systems, but that will require a bit more logistics effort to move stuff.

Laziness is traded for risk and that is perfectly fine. Tama is and always has been, a heavily camped system. Use a different one and enter lowsec through many of the safe entries.

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dont talk empty give a station name… i will accept anyone at 15 jump range to jita… ofc you willnt say anything because i already looked every station before go tTama. you are just a advocate. you are blaming others with no knowledge. this just show us to what is your personality…

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Yeah, so you don’t know and go for insults.
Typical toxic behavior.

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i looked its cool. i think if bought " Foreman pack" and if i wear hespatus set i think i can able to use my hidden shinigami and other superpowers like every other shounen anime hero. i can stop others with eyes with my will power called ā€œhakiā€ also capsule gain gomu gomu power when my ship tackled i can turn my ship to rubber and go to jump gate. i must buy ā€œForeman packā€ for save my indy play… thanks ccp.

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